As the Gaza war progresses, the conflict inside Israel's government is becoming more open. The conservative Netanyahu faction does not want a two-state solution after the war while more moderate factions want to proceed towards a peace solution including a two-state solution. Now we are seeing moderate politicians making overseas trips to discuss their proposals with government officials in other countries. This is the start of a very open split -- which may not wait for the end of the war. Israel's Gantz to travel to Washington, Netanyahu furious War cabinet minister Benny Gantz will travel on Sunday to Washington for a series of meetings with US officials, though he did not coordinate the trip with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, according to reports. https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/03/israels-gantz-travel-washington-netanyahu-furious Benny Gantz, a centrist member of Israel's war cabinet, will travel to Washington on Sunday for several meetings with American officials. Notably, he did not coordinate the visit with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The prime minister's office was outraged by the publication of the meeting, according to Ynet, which first reported the story, saying that Gantz would be traveling without asking for Netanyahu’s approval. The prime minister’s office reportedly said government regulations "require every minister to approve his travel in advance with the prime minister, including approval of the travel plan," adding that "the prime minister made it clear to minister Gantz that the State of Israel has only one prime minister." Gantz is expected to travel first to Washington before continuing to London. His US visit comes against the backdrop of reports claiming that the Biden administration is losing patience with Netanyahu over his management of the war in Gaza and refusal to plan for a postwar government of the enclave. It also comes as Israel's government and war cabinet have been split on how to proceed in ongoing hostage release and cease-fire negotiations led by the United States, Qatar and Egypt. Some 1,000 people, including families of hostages held in Gaza, marched Friday for the third day toward Jerusalem, calling on the government to reach a deal for their release. Addressing the marchers in the city of Beit Shemesh, Gantz said, "The mission of bringing them [the hostages] home is the mission of all of us; it is our top priority alongside the other important goals. We will bring them home, all of them as much as we can, and rapidly." Biden announced on Friday the United States will soon airdrop humanitarian aid, mostly food, into Gaza, similar to joint operations carried out recently by Jordan and France.
why start a new thread? Is this where you pivot? We all know your historical support for Bibi and his goons.
As always your assertions are laughable. Why don't you dig up some evidence of my support for "Bibi and his goons". Let's see if you can do it without misquoting, partially quoting, or changing my actual quotes in a manner to twist 180 degrees exactly what I stated. Or reverting to your usual approach of quoting a single paragraph of a news article I posted rather than text by me. There are plenty of posts by me outlining that I do not believe that peace or a two-state solution is possible with the conservative Netanyahu government in power and a more moderate government must be elected in Israel to allow any progress towards peace. Let me be helpful by providing links to my pertinent posts about Netanyahu: https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/yawn-israel-attacked-by-hamas.376532/page-189#post-5932766 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/yawn-israel-attacked-by-hamas.376532/page-160#post-5922392 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/yawn-israel-attacked-by-hamas.376532/page-140#post-5915733 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/yawn-israel-attacked-by-hamas.376532/page-140#post-5915731 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/yawn-israel-attacked-by-hamas.376532/page-140#post-5915461 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/yawn-israel-attacked-by-hamas.376532/page-130#post-5912369 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/yawn-israel-attacked-by-hamas.376532/page-128#post-5912162 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/yawn-israel-attacked-by-hamas.376532/page-118#post-5910310 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/yawn-israel-attacked-by-hamas.376532/page-111#post-5905174 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/yawn-israel-attacked-by-hamas.376532/page-109#post-5904019 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/yawn-israel-attacked-by-hamas.376532/page-100#post-5900656 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/yawn-israel-attacked-by-hamas.376532/page-90#post-5896191 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/yawn-israel-attacked-by-hamas.376532/page-85#post-5892102 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...oportionate-force.376559/page-11#post-5886213 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/yawn-israel-attacked-by-hamas.376532/page-28#post-5876024 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/yawn-israel-attacked-by-hamas.376532/page-25#post-5875623 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/yawn-israel-attacked-by-hamas.376532/page-3#post-5873986 https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...ict-in-a-nutshell.358639/page-12#post-5403936
piece of cake: In this thread, you pushed the false narrative (now deep sixed by fox) that Obama (your president) was trying to oust your boy Bibi by funding an NGO whose purpose is to push for a two state solution (the very thing that you now claim to support). https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...th-your-tax-dollars-to-oust-netanyahu.290320/ OneVoice defines itself as an "international grassroots movement that amplifies the voice of mainstream Israelis and Palestinians, empowering them to propel their elected representatives toward the two-state solution." https://www.jpost.com/Israel-Electi...ion-ties-to-effort-to-unseat-Netanyahu-393905 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneVoice_Movement In this thread you champion segregation by using a passive thread title. You then use a fox article spinning this segregationist move as somehow reasonable. Par for the course to segregationist Israel: Here you're mad that Obama "disrespected" someone who deserves all the disrespect in the world, your boy Bibi, because Obama was not a "good boi" and toed the Israel line In this latest thread you now paint "moderates seeking a two state solution" as reasonable despite them not wanting to wait for an end of the war. Something you've demonized cease fire advocates and Palestinian protesters for over and over while parroting Bibi's "not until Hamas is gone" line over and over again: https://www.elitetrader.com/et/search/17325926/?q=hamas+eliminated&o=date&c[node]=27&c[user][0]=9113
Once again -- good luck with your assertions. As demonstrated at the time of this particular thread -- it is inappropriate for the Obama administration to be funding outside groups dedicated to removing Netanyahu from office with a “Just Not Bibi” campaign. This basically is election interference in another country by the U.S. Likewise it is absurd that the Obama administration was desperately scrambling to provide rebuttals to a speech Netanyahu made -- even before the speech occurred. Let's state it bluntly-- the Obama administration was not friendly to Israel and basically propped up terrorism across the Middle East by giving Iran money, etc. Now go read all the links I provided above and tell me how I am a supporter of "Netanyahu and his goons". And here is one additional link about what was being discussed to provide some context to what was being discussed at the time of the Obama administration-- https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/netanyahu-speech-on-now-at-aipac.289988/page-2#post-4094217 "In a speech to the US Congress, Benjamin Netanyahu warned that a deal under discussion on Iran's nuclear programme could "pave Iran's path to the bomb" rather than block it." In hindsight, Netanyahu was quite correct in his assertions that the deal with Iran would provide a path to Iran having a nuclear bomb and promoting terrorism in the region. The problem I had with the Trump administration cancelling the deal with Iran was that it sent a message that the U.S. does not stick by the deals it made -- which undermines international diplomacy. The deal from the Obama administration which sent plane loads of cash to Iran which was then used to directly fund terrorism was never a particularly good deal. And by the way, Israel, Saudi Arabia and other countries in the region are now paying the price for the Obama administration's deal.
uh....yes, I linked the thread, and no matter how you spin it, the fox narrative was bullshit. Not to mention you've championed toppling other regimes in the region so there goes any semblance of consistency. Yes, Obama was not friendly to Israel (with good reason) and no , he did not prop up terrorism across the ME despite what fox told you. I never said you weren't a flip flopper, quite the opposite in fact. yes, keep doubling down and cheering for Bibi's asinine policy on everything Iran as Obama's deal had our inspectors keeping the deal in check. Keep championing their war hawkery and assassinations, that paid dividends on October, w/the Houthis, and Hezbollah.
Once again let's provide the Fox article I posted. As outlined below -- funding a "Just not Bibi" campaign with American taxpayer dollars is inappropriate election interference in an outside nation -- one which is the only effective democracy in the Middle East. Both Democrats and Republicans in the U.S. Senate rebuked the Obama administration for doing this as per the Washington Post. Obama funds non-profit with your tax dollars to oust Netanyahu http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...r-obama-administration-funded-effort-to-oust/ A powerful U.S. Senate investigatory committee has launched a bipartisan probe into an American nonprofit’s funding of efforts to oust Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu after the Obama administration’s State Department gave the nonprofit taxpayer-funded grants, a source with knowledge of the panel's activities told FoxNews.com. The fact that both Democratic and Republican sides of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations have signed off on the probe could be seen as a rebuke to President Obama, who has had a well-documented adversarial relationship with the Israeli leader. The development comes as Netanyahu told Israel’s Channel Two television station this week that there were “governments” that wanted to help with the “Just Not Bibi” campaigning -- Bibi being the Israeli leader’s nickname. .... And let's also be clear -- you do not support changing the regime in rogue nations like Iran which fund & promote terrorism around the world. I see nothing wrong with championing the changing of these regimes -- in fact the oppressed people in these countries living under effective dictatorships would cheer on a change of regime. Similarly Hamas is a dictatorial terrorist governing entity in Gaza which needs to be removed in order to have any progress towards peace.
You just don't get it do you? I'm not entirely opposed to toppling regimes but the conditions have to be there for it to happen (Arab spring comes to mind). A bigger Iraq under the supervision of Trump, Pompeo, or Bolton is not my idea of "regime change".
The thread above is typical of the behavior we have seen demonstrated by Cuddles, Here4Money, and all of his other monikers over the years. In this example despite being provided with nearly 20 posts (and I can provide dozens more) outlining my negative opinion of the conservative Netanyahu a regime; Cuddles has to go back to 2015 to find a thread where I criticize the Obama administration. Somehow to Cuddles this is evidence of my support for "Bibi and his goons". The reality is that it is evidence of the Obama administration's failure in the Middle East -- not any type of support of Netanyahu. Obama send piles of cash in planes to Iran which drove terrorism across the Middle East. Not only Israel opposed this Obama deal with Iran, most of the Sunni Arab nations in the region such as Saudi Arabia opposed the deal as well. Using U.S. taxpayer dollars, the Obama administration attempted to undermine the elected Israeli government by funding a group dedicated to removing Netanyahu from office. This attempt by the Obama administration to undermine a democratic government was heavily criticized by both Democrats and Republicans in the U.S. Senate. Even more laughable was the Obama administration providing rebuttal points even before Netanyahu spoke in front of Congress. Once again -- all of the above is about the failure of the Obama administration, not support of the Netanyahu government in Israel In summary, the failure of the Obama administration to engage Israel in open and honest dialog to shape the direction of the future --- actually ensured that a right-wing government would remain in power in Israel for many years to come after Obama left office. Basically Obama turned out to be the biggest promoter of Netanyahu while Jews felt abandoned by Democrats. In the U.S. this lack of support of Israel by the Obama administration also caused many Jews to start voting for Republicans as evidenced by the 2016 election.
GWB once again makes wide declarations, provides zero sources and instead of apologizing for having made mistake (only human) and backing trash conservative leaders (bibi, Putin, Trump) and their trash policies, pivots to the irrelevant. Just own up to it GWB, there's much respect to be had in doing so.