Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

Discussion in 'Politics' started by themickey, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

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    Pipes is a critic of Islam, and his views have been criticized by Muslim Americans and other academics, many of whom maintain they are Islamophobic or racist. Pipes has made claims about alleged "no-go zones" overrun by Sharia law in Europe and about U.S. President Barack Obama practicing Islam, and has defended Michelle Malkin's book In Defense of Internment: The Case for 'Racial Profiling' in World War II and the War on Terror.[3]
     
    #1271     Jan 9, 2024
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    As I have outlined in the past -- this war will involve two steps. Step 1 is the complete elimination of Hamas as a political and military entity in Gaza. This is pretty straight-forward and Israel will not be bullied by the international community into stopping their offense until this is achieved.

    Step 2, the post-war plan, is much more messy in regards to politics in Israel. The right-wing coalition led by Netanyahu is fractured and includes some extreme voices. A good portion of this political coalition supports evicting all the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank to some other nation . Some cabinet ministers of the Israeli government has been negotiating with Congo and other nations to take in these Palestinians. On top of this it appears a large majority of Israelis now support the complete removal of Palestinians from Gaza -- which influences the politics.

    Despite trying to frame this proposed displacement as voluntary. We all know this "voluntary" is not true and is more akin to ethnic cleansing if it takes place.

    In the mean time, the Israeli President has been proclaiming that forced displacement of Palestinians is not the plan. While at the same time Defense Minister Yoav Gallant has been outlining a post war "four corner" plan for Gaza that has little international buy-in.

    The bottom line is that Israel needs to put forward a single post war plan with a unified voice with no cabinet ministers pushing alternative plans. The post-war plan needs support of the international community in order to have any realistic chance of success.

    Achieving a reasonable post war plan would have regional benefits for Israel. Certainly it won't stop Iran and its terrorist proxies from waging aggression against Israel. However it will bring the Sunni nations in the region back to the table to normalize relations -- including Saudi Arabia which is actively proclaiming its ambition for a deal to normalize relations post-war. Many of these Sunni nations are also dealing with Iranian funded terrorism via proxies as well -- which would make Israel a useful ally from a regional perspective.
     
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    #1272     Jan 9, 2024
  3. zdreg

    zdreg

    Not only are those are 2 unrealistic conditions but they are not necessary conditions to implement for a post war plan to succeed.
     
    #1273     Jan 9, 2024
  4. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    it's so straight forward it hasn't been achieved in 80 yrs as Israel continues to make more terrorists out of victims' families.
     
    #1274     Jan 9, 2024
  5. zdreg

    zdreg

    Statement might be true but numbers likely to be insignificant.
     
    #1275     Jan 9, 2024
  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Israel claims 30k hamas members. How many new recruits after the now 23k+ dead?
     
    #1276     Jan 9, 2024
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Israel has eliminated 9K members of Hamas. Where do these militants show up in the Hamas Health Ministry death reports?
     
    #1277     Jan 9, 2024
  8. themickey

    themickey

    Aaaaahhhh, you crack me up. You acknowledge Trump is a full blown bs artist but that Israel are as pure as the driven snow. LMAO.
    When Israel make statements you wanna somehow believe them but the Palestinians are the liars.
    There'll be lies on both sides, but it seems the current casualties count is not overly fictional:

    Deaths
    Gaza’s ministry of health says that at least 22,835 Palestinians had been killed by yesterday, with another 58,416 reportedly injured. That figure does not distinguish between combatants and civilians, but an estimated 70% are women and children. About 7,000 more are reportedly missing and most are likely dead.

    Israel’s final count for Hamas’s 7 October massacre is 1,139: 685 Israeli civilians, 373 members of the security forces, and 71 foreigners. Deaths in Israel since then bring the total to about 1,200. Thirty-six of the victims were children. The Israeli military says 174 soldiers have been killed in Gaza, and 1,023 injured.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-reveal-the-extent-of-the-destruction-in-gaza

    The Palestinian deaths and the ruins left by bombing indicates indiscriminate revenge on an innocent population.

    Meanwhile Blinken continues to jetset and jawbone with zero results, 'Biden my time' obviously happy with those zero results coming from his useless stooge 'Blinking'.
     
    #1278     Jan 9, 2024
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The math from the Hamas Health Ministry does not add up. In fact it is laughable.

    So Israel has eliminated 9000 militants in Gaza. If there are 22,835 Palestinians killed then 9000 of 22,835 is 39.4%.

    The Hamas Health Ministry claiming that 70% of the dead are non-militant women and children is absurd
    . Especially in light that Hamas and Islamic Jihad have been arming children as young as 11 to shoot at the IDF.

    Anyone who thinks that Hamas misinformation is pure as driven snow needs to get their head adjusted.
     
    #1279     Jan 9, 2024
  10. themickey

    themickey

    Source?
     
    #1280     Jan 9, 2024