Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by nysestocks, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. Onra

    Onra


    Wide Tailz, can you save me another year looking at nonsense...?
    4 old pics; is there anything of value here? Schermafbeelding 2022-01-10 om 11.01.29.png
     
    #8031     Jan 10, 2022
  2. This is kind of what trend follower hedge funds and CTAs do. They trade a bunch of uncorrelated assets (commodities, stock indices, currencies, bonds), going long or short whenever their systems detect a directional trend.

    There are also similar momentum strategies for individual stocks based on "relative strength". Basically, buying winners (stocks that have gone up the most in the past few months) and shorting losers.
     
    #8032     Jan 10, 2022
  3. odlareg

    odlareg

    Never and Never, maybe RT = BO?

    GO
     
    #8033     Jan 10, 2022
  4. Pelt

    Pelt

    GO,

    What I mean is...

    If you look at a candle, it has an Open, High, Low and Close. It also has a body and wicks. The only way that candle forms, is there are traders that create the body(imagine traders moving price AWAY from its initial OPEN and reference point)... and there are traders that create the wicks, as they are trading the reversal from the extremes of the candle.

    As I see it, there is no other way a candle can be created?


    In a similar fashion, I was thinking about your situation.... composed of BO traders(breakout), and RT traders(retracement).

    So in the case you gave earlier... you can imagine a range, whereby most of the time, its batted up and down, primarily RT traders. Above and below this range are stops of those RT traders, along with pending entries for BO traders.

    Also, I've heard it before, that we don't really trade the market, but rather our beliefs ABOUT the market. My question was essentially, was it your belief that you were trading AGAINST those traders that either had stops OUTSIDE of this small range, and WITH the BO trader's pendings OUTSIDE of this small range?

    It's not a big deal... I guess I was just wondering if this was your rationale for placing a trade.
     
    #8034     Jan 10, 2022
  5. Vindago

    Vindago

    Pelt, what happens once price exit the range? wouldn't that be the best space to trade?:D
     
    #8035     Jan 10, 2022
  6. Pelt

    Pelt

    'best'... not sure? Was under the impression it depends on what you're trying to do? 90/10
     
    #8036     Jan 10, 2022
  7. odlareg

    odlareg

     
    #8037     Jan 10, 2022
  8. Wide Tailz

    Wide Tailz

    Nothing in those pix is obvious, aside from someone trying to describe the past to give the illusion you can predict the outcome in a chaotic (open ended) system. And speaking from my own experience, whenever I tried doing the same, it ended in humiliated confusion, almost smashing equipment in anger!
     
    #8038     Jan 10, 2022
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  9. odlareg

    odlareg

    upload_2022-1-11_8-46-15.png
     
    #8039     Jan 11, 2022
  10. Pelt

    Pelt

    GO,
    Curious image you have there
     
    #8040     Jan 12, 2022