Discussion in 'Politics' started by Greenie, Jan 28, 2017.
Still waiting for the "Godfull" to step up...
Soon as the church starts paying taxes I'll give a shit about their opinions one way or the other. The Christian right has always got themselves in a bind with these type issues. They too, just like the radical left, want to play both ends against the middle. Fuck them both. We need to close the door for awhile and get some sensible policies in place that are enforced. Until then, we're all filled up.
Nice to see trump delivering.
This was his platform. He won by nearly 100 electoral votes. And the entire world was against him. Americans want this.
Too bad for the small minority. Winners and losers for every policy decision.
Freddy and Zzzz couldn't give a fuck when a bus load of Americans get killed by a Muslim refugee. Where is their outrage against immigration policies then? It's only when foreigners are given the gears do they actually cAre.
Liberals are all the same. They rather protect foreigners at the expense of Americans. Then protect Americans at the expense of foreigners.
Americans are done with that
So you're against the Godless and the "Godfull." Where is that, exactly?
Another Cherry picked bullshit stat
Include global totals from radical Islamic terrorism then get back to me
I thought we were talking about America. Since when have you become a globalist?
Is this also cherry-picked:
False equivalency = stupid.
Pence got in line. He's a neocon. He was picked to sew up the evangelical and neocon wing of the party.
The Muslim ban was intended to make headlines. Walked back to a country ban which America voted for.
Perhaps you missed the election ?
Even there, he missed the ball. Here, let me make it easy for you:
Oh, and it wasn't the "country" that voted for it. He has his overrepresented fly-over base to thank for that support.
Friendly Reminder: Obama Selected The List Of Muslim Countries in Trump’s Executive Order
1/29/2017 9:00:00 AM - Matt Vespa
As the Left and some Republicans lose their minds over President Donald J. Trump’s executive order on immigration, let’s not forget that the list of concerned countries that the Trump administration outlined in the order is based on the one signed into law by the former Obama administration. So, it looks like the Obama White House set the groundwork (via Mic News):
According to the draft copy of Trump's executive order, the countries whose citizens are barred entirely from entering the United States is based on a bill that Obama signed into law in December 2015.
Obama signed the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act as part of an omnibus spending bill. The legislation restricted access to the Visa Waiver Program, which allows citizens from 38 countries who are visiting the United States for less than 90 days to enter without a visa.
Though outside groups such as the American Civil Liberties Union and NIAC Action — the sister organization of the National Iranian American Council — opposed the act, the bipartisan bill passed through Congress with little pushback.
At the initial signing of the restrictions, foreigners who would normally be deemed eligible for a visa waiver were denied if they had visited Iran, Syria, Sudan or Iraq in the past five years or held dual citizenship from one of those countries.
In February 2016, the Obama administration added Libya, Somali and Yemen to the list of countries one could not have visited — but allowed dual citizens of those countries who had not traveled there access to the Visa Waiver Program. Dual citizens of Syria, Sudan, Iraq and Iran are still ineligible, however.
So, in a nutshell, Obama restricted visa waivers for those seven Muslim-majority countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen — and now, Trump is looking to bar immigration and visitors from the same list of countries.
Yet, I don’t remember the Left freaking out over this. I certainly don’t remember them going indiscriminately insane when the Obama White House stopped processing Iraqi visas for six months when—surprise! —Al-Qaeda operatives feigned refugee status to get relocated to Bowling Green, Kentucky. And yes, some of the applicants worked as intelligence assets and interpreters for the U.S. military, according to ABC News. But remember, that was when a Democrat was in the Oval Office, so it was okay back then.
Here’s the text of the order.
Via The Atlantic this is what it will and will not do. Most importantly, the publication adds that this technically isn’t a Muslim ban, as people from Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim country, can still visit the country:
Who is affected?
For 120 days, the order bars the entry of any refugee who is awaiting resettlement in the U.S. It also prohibits all Syrian refugees from entering the U.S. until further notice. Additionally, it bans the citizens of seven countries—Iraq, Iran, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, and Yemen—from entering the U.S. on any visa category. This appears to include those individuals who are permanent residents of the U.S. (green-card holders) who may have been traveling overseas to visit family or for work—though their applications will be considered on a case-by-case basis, a senior administration official said Saturday.
Is this a Muslim ban?
Technically no. The ban includes seven majority Muslim countries, but by no means are these states the most populous Muslim countries, nor are they among the top sources of Muslim immigration to the U.S., nor have they produced terrorists in the same numbers as other Muslim countries not on the list.
So, it’s not really a Muslim ban and the nations that Trump listed are the ones that were drafted by Obama.
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