After the GOP takes control of both branches this fall in the 2022 elections... They will say the election was fair even though many similar voting problems still existed in places like the recent GOP primaries...no bitching and no national headlines of "fraud". Yet, inflation will still be here, supply chain problems will still be here, Covid will still be here but people will be happy that only a few hundred Americans are being hospitalized/dying from Covid every day, Russia's war on Ukraine will still be here, high gas prices will still be here, rising grocery store prices will still be here... Then add in the growing mass shootings and rising abortion rights issue...although we may see Europe erupt into a War. People will still not be willing to scale back on anything...around and around the wheel continues to turn. wrbtrader
well, well - let's be clear, does this statement appear in a prior post? - gasps, grabs pearls. lol. "even though many similar voting problems still exist" We are dealing with power mongering politicians, remember? Dinesh D'Souza's 2000 Mules full movie (free, and no registration required): https://www.documentarymania.com/player.php?title=2000+Mules Dinesh D'Souza's 2000 Mules full movie (free, and no registration required): https://www.documentarymania.com/player.php?title=2000+Mules https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/2000-mules.366968/page-6#post-5599674 Dinesh D'Souza's 2000 Mules full movie (free, and no registration required): https://www.documentarymania.com/player.php?title=2000+Mules
Have you viewed the docuentary film "2000 Mules" yet Have a notepad nearby. We look forward to a robust discussion between you and bugenhagen. Here's a link for you guys... Dinesh D'Souza's 2000 Mules full movie (free, and no registration required): https://www.documentarymania.com/player.php?title=2000+Mules
Have not viewed it yet. Not a priority for me right now. Neither is social media, but I'll give an other-than-quick summary of what I'm working on. I'm exploring the idea of looking at people, philosophy, science (Human interpretation of natural laws), and natural laws as "Systems". Any system that appears to have some order is considered predictable. Any system that is predictable is exploitable. I use the word "Exploitable" broadly, to include situations where the exploitation of a system does not necessarily harm or result in a cost to that system. The goal here is to understand systems in order to develop, change, or exploit systems of various kinds for my and our community's benefit. People are involved in many systems. For example, Joe Biden is a person, a politician, a Democrat, a prominent Democrat Party policy influencer, and the President of a major world power, for a partial list of systems Joe Biden is part of by choice. There are other systems Joe Biden is a member of which he may not be consciously aware. Many systems have relationships with one another. These relationships include "Supportive", "Corroborative", "Competitive", and "Adversarial". An example of a supportive system is a parent-child relationship where the parent's investment of time and money on the child is not expected or required to be repaid. Most other relationship types fundamentally expect compensation in some form for entering and maintaining a particular relationship with a particular system. Another example of a system is religion. Religion was created ostensibly to create a system that encouraged other systems (People) to consider how their actions affected the community (A larger system), which in turn, ultimately benefitted most participants. For example, certain behaviors, some instinctual, had been shown to predictably cause harm to members of the community, ultimately hurting many members of the community. The resulted in the creation of rules. Some of these rules also considered the concept of working hard was a virtue that benefitted the community, not just oneself, especially during times of stress, such as Winter or adverse events. Some political systems are in great conflict over religion, seemingly over how much influence religion should have over policy. In politics, a political system seeks to gain influence and resources by convincing other systems, such as voters and businesses their system is a corroborative effort that benefits those who participate in that political system. The effort to convince others includes systems that are fundamentally competitive or even adversarial. In other words, promises are made that cannot be delivered, as many Progressives are currently loudly complaining about. "The Democrat Party, especially the Progressives/Socialists rely heavily on the harmful exploitation of other systems to advance their political agenda. For example, the Democrats sell their system by promising free stuff furnished by the productive. To get needed votes from the productive, Democrats attempt to use identity politics to create a call to action that can override a potential voter's concern how Democrats can harm their financial situation. Democrats have been attempting to 'Codify' or otherwise put political pressure on businesses to publicly support their agenda, with some success involving media influence (Another system). Donald Trump's popularity among the productive is an example of backlash against these Democrat practices. Democrat policies creates risk for the productive. Risk can be considered expectation times estimated cost of potential regulations, taxes, fees, fines, forced purchases involving politically aligned entities, and legislative imposed operational constraints. In other words, many of the productive become disincentivized from being productive by Democrat policies. Lower productivity means less goods to go around for each unit of effort, often meaning increased inflation and shortages. In addition, the incentive for the productive to invest is diminished, resulting in reduced job creation over time, less demand for buildings and equipment, and likely creating weaker capital formation and equities market, leading to stagnation of innovation, resulting in competitive disadvantages for the United States in the world marketplace, further dimming long term prospects of our community for both the productive and the unproductive". The preceding was an argument supporting the adoption of the Conservative political system. while the Democrat political system have there's. Systems can be efficient or robust, stable or unstable. An efficient system is often a process oriented system that attempts to maximize efficient production of a tangible good. A robust system anticipates an attack from another system and attempts to "harden" easy access to its resources. Conservative systems tend to be efficient from a linear perspective, but very exploitable, while Liberal systems are more likely to involve the intangible, be hardened, and harder to exploit. A stable system benefits the other systems it is involved with in some meaningful way. A unstable system does not sufficiently benefit the systems it is involved in. Arguably, Russia's political system is at odds with her people, resulting in seeming military underperformance in Ukraine, in spite of successfully delivering a substantial first strike. In addition, Russia's productivity historically has lagged developed countries, in spite of plentiful resources, including land. I have been searching for a unification of economic systems that reflect the benefits of Socialism as well as Capitalism, while minimizing their respective shortcomings. While I was on a construction site in Nashville, TN and observed how frequent conflicts among the ethnically, gender, and socio-ethnic status diverse contractors, superintendent, salespeople, and other visitors were resolved, I noted each person had a sense of urgency (Capitalism) that was being interfered with by another person also with a sense of urgency. The resolution to these conflicts was a pecking order. This was not a pecking order defined by position or tenure, but by need (Socialism). In most cases, relative need was either evident or communicated and negotiated. The deferring party would often either find another area to work or do something else productive. Sometimes conflicts resulted in multiple parties needing access to the same place at the same time, with reputation and customer service expectations on the line should either party fail to deliver on that day. Here, too, a Socialistic answer resulted in an acceptable result for the contesting parties. The answer involved each party allocating more resources (Time and money) than initially anticipated, but allowing them all to ultimately meet their commitments that day. Yes, discussion about better planning and coordination among participants belongs here as well. In other words, a fairly efficient system developed over time through the trial and error of each system over time. Now imagine a political or overbearing enforcement system entering the example above. It is not hard to imagine this system breaking down to the dissatisfaction of most, especially the customer. The analysis of systems and relationships between systems has applications in science and innovation, intelligence and counter-intelligence, politics, relationships, trading, poker, and just about everything else. There are specific methodologies involved in developing, changing, and or exploiting systems, something I may cover in a future post in this thread. In the meantime, try to think for yourself and realize most all systems seek to exploit your own system in some way.
Disappointing. This thread was created and largely populated by your effort. Now? Not a priority. LOL
Have a good Independance Day! Have a notepad nearby. We look forward to a robust discussion between you and bugenhagen. Here's a link for you guys... Dinesh D'Souza's 2000 Mules full movie (free, and no registration required): https://www.documentarymania.com/player.php?title=2000+Mules
You used that same pic in another thread in which we were having a fun discussion, regarding 3D-printed steaks using bug guts.
Replies to your posts, inline below: QUOTE="easymon1, post: 5627571, member: 82119"]Disappointing. This thread was created and largely populated by your effort. Now? Not a priority. Sunk costs, eh? I created a thread so I'm obligated to maintain it? LOL[/QUOTE QUOTE="easymon1, post: 5627581, member: 82119"]Bla, Bla, Bla... Riddle me this... Without fair elections, whatta ya got? Not a priority. Depending how far you want to peel back the onion, have there really been any fair elections for say, the last fifty years? I suggest most US voters feel they do not have a representative government. Look at direction of country and Congressional polls, to name a few. Could it be, as a practical matter, our political system is set up such that a relatively small group of "Smart" people make decisions for all of us, rather than the people in their combined interests and wisdom deciding the direction our country takes, as was apparently intended by our forefathers? The United States was founded upon principles that attempted to address the shortcomings of prior systems. It is a strong rebuke of these earlier systems when people in mass leave that system, their homes, risking death on the high seas and an uncertain future, including war with the superpower at the time. The new system the forefathers of the United States created resulted in rising quality of life, health, freedom, some protection against tyrannical regimes, and innovation for the world. Such people who are willing to fight for their freedom deserve to be the sovereign. Deserve to be self-governed. Deserve the benefits of their dedication and hard work. Fast forward to today. Can you say, as a nation, US citizens still deserve the right to true self-governance? That is, the right to choose their representatives unfettered by media and corporate interests? Is our political system devolving to a welfare state for the benefit for failing individuals, corporations, lobbyists, and politicians, effectively paid for by the weakening, but still productive middle class? How much of the Federal budget is really "Hush" money towards rioters? Speaking of riots, given that many of them simultaneously break out in multiple cities, does that it suggests coordination? Coordination from a fringe, but increasingly influential political organization? I'm thinking of Bernie Sanders, owner of four homes, and his (Socialist) Progressives here. Perhaps the most effective system at this point is "Survival of the fittest", where we each accept our responsibility to recognize the realities of our current environment and adapt to it, with the most competent living the life they want and deserve. If or when our system further degrades, where the burden on the productive becomes too intolerable, will efforts at reform begin in earnest, by whatever means may be deemed necessary by the people, perhaps. Now back to answering your characterization the 2020 US Presidential Election results were the result of election fraud. As the thread title suggests, I became concerned election fraud was possibly being committed based on unexplained anomalies in the progression of votes as they were being tabulated and reported. While I have yet to find a fully satisfying answer, it is beyond a doubt the 2020 US Presidential election was not sufficiently transparent to instill general confidence in the results. Further, there is apparently ample evidence electronic voting apparatus did not have robust security such as intrusion detection, restricted and validated access, and unalterable logs. There were concerns over changes in tabulated votes being changed and discrepancies involving logs and the timing and number of voting system accesses. The preceding does not prove the election was stolen, but it certainly justifies an investigation. Mail-in voting was apparently expanded without sufficiently addressing security issues according to some. In my opinion, each political party has the onus on behalf of their supporters and country to ensure the integrity of the election, as each party has an interest in the outcome of expensive and political leadership changing elections. There is a level at which a party's incompetence in protecting their own interests brings into question their leadership potential in the effective representation of the interests of the country at large, even if a election were stolen. Also noteworthy, given the seeming incompetence of Democrats leading the country, is it plausible they could have coordinated the stealing of an election in multiple states and not get caught? Again, it seems all roads lead to "We are on our own", save a few truly like-minded allies, for our quality of life and the maintenance of our belief systems. The 2024 US Presidential Election is coming into focus. Have we earned or otherwise deserve another Trump Presidency? While we were lucky to have him, if nothing else to have a break from repressive, as in the repression of the productive, Democrat policies. Trump and his family have endured more grief than seems reasonable for an elected leader of a major world power. However, Trump is not above reproach. Trump did sign into law a couple of bills that could be considered insubordinate to US Citizens and the intent of our constitution. Interestingly, for all the grief the media gave Trump throughout his Presidency, they did not attack him on those bills. They merely reported the signing as news, without commentary. If trump did anything truly impeachable, it would be the signing of those bills. This brings up a couple of interesting questions: Was Trump coerced into signing under threat of bipartisan prosecution for Democrat led allegations? If so, would this not suggest our system is designed to follow a certain path as determined by a few, including corrupting the well intentioned? The other question is why didn't the media attack Trump on those bills? Could it be the media represents interests other than the people? Their advertisers, their executive management, or their ties to a foreign intelligence agency, perhaps? Put another way, people in the media choosing to not represent people in their community because of "Professional requirements" of their employment? What word comes to mind when a person puts their own interests before their country's. Ok, maybe not a completely fair characterization, but still something to consider at some level. In one prominent media organization with a significant presence in the US, it seems the deliverers of the "News" are specifically for the interests of a country other than the United States. Hazard a guess, anyone, which network I am talking about? Like I said before, it may be best to look at everything as a system, including ourselves, and act according to our interests, with an eye to corroborate with other systems that seem legitimately aligned to our interests. LOL[/QUOTE QUOTE="easymon1, post: 5627618, member: 82119"]Have a good Independance Day! Oh no, are you trying to guilt me into watching the 2000 Mules movie by ringing the "Patriotism bell"? I have purposely avoided watching 2000 Mules. Can you think of a reason why? Have a notepad nearby. We look forward to a robust discussion between you and bugenhagen.[/QUOTE Ah, good salesmanship. Going for an assumptive close. Bugenhagan does not have the energy to debate us anymore. We wore him out. He feels we are a lost cause; unsalvageable. Right, Bugenhagen? Now let's turn the camera towards you. You have been particularly active in the election fraud debate recently. What have you got? Give us a detailed review of 2000 Mules, perhaps also answering the counterpoints in the wikipedia.org article on 2000 mules that may have been originally written by a Mrs. Clinton. Godspeed to you.
I may read all that later, lol. Just answer this please there verbose one. Have you viewed "2000 Mules" That'd be a yes or no. Thanks. Here's a link for you guys... Dinesh D'Souza's 2000 Mules full movie (free, and no registration required): https://www.documentarymania.com/player.php?title=2000+Mules