Option Payoff Excel Tutorial

Discussion in 'Options' started by Quanto, Mar 20, 2024.

  1. Quanto

    Quanto

    This is basic maths, everybody can check & verify it.
    But he does different than what these formulas are for: he closes the position early, instead of letting it expire (and handle everything automatically by the OCC or the broker).
    Such payoff formulas are always just (only) for the expiration, not for closing early.

    Of course I can understand when he needs to close the position early by himself when he lacks neccessary funds in his acct. But this of course is his own problem, not a problem of the said payoff formula...

    Here's a good text that explains the last day of the option in detail:
    https://www.powercycletrading.com/what-time-do-options-expire/
    Look what the above text says:
    Ie. the Monthly options expire on Saturday! :)
    Closing them on Friday means early-closing!...

    OCC: Option Clearing Corporation --> see the first link above.



     
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    #11     Mar 20, 2024
  2. FSU

    FSU

    You still don't seem to understand. You can't let these options exercise automatically and have the OCC handle everything. These are not cash settled. You won't know if you will be assigned or not. After hours movement will affect whether long holders exercise or not.
    If you did this, you would be at tremendous risk, you may or may not be assigned on your shorts and could come in with a huge position the next day.
     
    #12     Mar 20, 2024
  3. Quanto

    Quanto

    You seem not to understand, b/c such "minor" problems are not the fault of the payoff formula, which BTW is the discussion topic here... :)

    FYI: I let all my short options just expire automatically w/o doing anything by me. It works flawlessly, and getting assigned is no problem for me, b/c that situation too is part of my trading plan.

    And: not w/o a reason do I prefer low priced stocks... :)
    I'm not crazy to trade a stock whose share price is $800 or so, like in the above case.
    I trade stocks < $10 :) and their options. In that case such problems as listed by you cannot happen.
     
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    #13     Mar 20, 2024
  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    I was short a call option last Friday that was 5percent in the money. At 5pm the stock fell 15percent and the option was not exercised.

    ps: you are playing chess with a pigeon.
     
    #14     Mar 20, 2024
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  5. Quanto

    Quanto

    I'm really surprised that there are some traders who even question the usefulness of the standard well-known payoff function.... Unbelievable, IMO! I'm really shocked!

    Some days ago another such trader said one rather should take AI ("machine learning" he said) instead of such payoff formulas to determine the outcome at expiry... :)
    This one had no clue what the payoff function does, and I think he was/is even a "veteran trader"...
     
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    #15     Mar 20, 2024
  6. 2rosy

    2rosy

    I came across this "reflective listening".
     
    #16     Mar 20, 2024
  7. taowave

    taowave

    I am mercifully blocked by the OP,but why on earth would anyone need an EXCEL spreadsheet to calculate payoff??

    A mind is a terrible thing to waste
     
    #17     Mar 20, 2024
  8. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    you think Quanto has a mind?
     
    #18     Mar 20, 2024
  9. Quanto

    Quanto

    #19     Mar 21, 2024
  10. FSU

    FSU

    I have to say Quanto, you're a tough one to figure out. You post a great deal here and you seem to get upset when people comment. I tried to point out the problem with your calculations, as they don't work with exactness in equity options due to after hours assignment risk at expiration.

    Your responses have been that I am too poor to have options exercise. That based on my past posts I don't know what I am talking about and that my calculations are wrong. Each time I have not insulted you back, I just try and explain each of my statements, trying to show my point.

    Not sure what you are really looking for in this forum.
     
    #20     Mar 21, 2024
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