Is this is the best position ever if you can do this...

Discussion in 'Options' started by lotfyisis, Oct 25, 2018.

  1. Thanks for your suggestion about the books. I have read quite a bit of options books. Sure, they are the road to wealth but to the author not the readers. Books are good to get educated about basic understanding of options. I hardly read any thing about adjustments which is really what a novice trader need to learn when the underlying moves against your position. This is where success comes from.
     
    #11     Oct 25, 2018
  2. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    It seems like you know more about options than I do. Let me know when you find out how to pay for a straddle without taking on more risk. I will be happily waiting to transfer you all my money :)
     
    #12     Oct 25, 2018
  3. No I don't know more than you. I am just trying to get ideas from experienced traders like you. I am trying to see if such a trade is viable or not and how to optimize it. As I suggested, will selling a strangle at a delta of 25% on each side sounds as a good start ?
     
    #13     Oct 25, 2018
  4. Jones75

    Jones75

    Here's a link to using "Long Synthetic Straddles with Stocks", by Jim Graham. I've used it many times with relatively good success. Biggest drawback is if the liquidity is too thin, and you get screwed by the bid/ask spread.

    And a cautionary note, understand the IV and make sure you're not overpaying or under selling.

    https://www.discoveroptions.com/mixed/content/education/articles/longsyntheticstraddle.html
     
    #14     Oct 25, 2018
  5. Thanks Jones75 for the link, I enjoyed reading the article. Is this is your favorite option source?
     
    #15     Oct 25, 2018
  6. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    So buy the straddle and sell the wings? This kind of smells like a short butterfly. That does not sound like it will be generating any alpha to me. Maybe if you look at the skew and you realize that the wings are higher then they should be, then sure.
     
    #16     Oct 25, 2018
  7. destriero

    destriero

    It’s a synthetic put. Cash-secured doesn’t change the structure. There is no point in trading the synthetic straddle unless you’re trading odd lots or microstructure.
     
    #17     Oct 25, 2018
  8. what you are saying is adding a short strangle to long straddle is a synthetic put. Is this is what you meant ?
     
    #18     Oct 25, 2018
  9. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    he's talking about the long call short stock. Instead of looking for the "holy grail of options", I suggest you start here. https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/atticus-ship-it-vol-trading-journal.248751/ There is enough option terminology in this thread to get you started down the rabbit hole. It is also a fun read.
     
    #19     Oct 25, 2018
  10. destriero

    destriero


    Long 100 shares + long two puts = long 1 synthetic straddle
    Long 50 shares + long one put = long 1/2 synthetic straddle

    Long 100 shares + long one put = long 1 synthetic call
    Short 100 shares + long one call = long 1 synthetic put

    Short strangle + long straddle = synthetic (iron) butterfly

    Ostensibly we've learned a lot about options in the last 45 years. There is no vanilla structure left undiscovered.
     
    #20     Oct 25, 2018
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