Flu vs COVID

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by apdxyk, Aug 24, 2020.

  1. JSOP

    JSOP

    LOL Hope you get some help really fast. You really need it. Good luck! I shall pray for you.

    And get some grammar lessons too while you are at it. You need that too. In the meanwhile, stay the hell away from us!
     
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  2. cesfx

    cesfx

    I think the UK government has tried its best, successfully, to screw up a relatively good economy in the last few years.
     
    #152     Oct 15, 2020
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  3. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    Ohhhh yes, Brexit been a no deal Brexit all along using Covid as a distraction currently, that'll finish off the UK and force us into Socialism, we are so very very screwed!
     
    #153     Oct 15, 2020
  4. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Coronavirus vs. Flu Deaths

    COVID-19:
    There have been approximately 1,081,332 deaths reported worldwide. In the U.S, 215,089, people have died of COVID-19 between January 2020 and October 13, 2020.*

    Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

    The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it, and a vaccine may be many months away. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the Flu.

    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...ronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu

    Other comparisons @ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...han-1918-spanish-flu-seasonal-flu/3378208001/

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    What's interesting is that Covid-19 is a Pandemic being compared to the Seasonal Flu above. Simply, the statistics of a Pandemic that has no vaccine versus the statistics to the Seasonal illness that has vaccines for different strains in the world plus therapeutic medicines. The latter for an illness that many people can treat themselves via going to their pharmacy and get over the counter Flu medicine.

    In contrast, the numbers are very different when comparing Covic-19 to the first Influenza Pandemic.

    As posted earlier, 50 million people died (some sources say 20 - 50 million) in the first Influenza Pandemic. Simply, regardless to the flawed comparisons of Covid-19 to the Flu...now imagine if Covid-19 had occurred back in 1918 in which 50 million people died from the Flu...

    While the global pandemic lasted for two years, a significant number of deaths were packed into three especially cruel months in the fall of 1918. Historians now believe that the fatal severity of the Spanish flu's “second wave” was caused by a mutated virus spread by wartime troop movements.
    • How many would have died from Covid-19 had it occurred in 1918 poor hygiene history ???
    There's actual models that predicted the results...I'll post those statistics another day for another debate comparison considering I prefer to compare apples to apples via the first Flu Pandemic versus the first Covid-19 Pandemic.

    It is shocking
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    Yet, if someone wants to compare a Pandemic to another disease that's Seasonal...I've posted a summary of statistics @ https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/flu-vs-covid.349161/#post-5185866 from an earlier discussion in another thread with more in-depth statistical comparison.

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  5. I would not like to get sick with either one or the other, you need to be very careful to stay healthy. I am very worried about my well-being, so I try to keep myself in shape and use injections HGH therapy here to maintain my health and wellness.covid is a very dangerous disease that will spread very quickly, I really don't want my family to get sick while at risk.
     
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  6. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    I've notice that some of the vitamins being recommended for Covid-19 is also recommended for the FLU.

    The common link is the immune system...supplements (vitamins) and a healthy diet aimed at improving the performance in the immune system response to infections. In fact, they're being used in combo with the therapeutic treatments.

    Vitamin D, Zinc, Vitamin C

    https://consultqd.clevelandclinic.org/covid-19-and-supplements-what-we-know-now/

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    Here are 5 things you should know about the 1918 pandemic and why it matters 100 years later.

    1. The 1918 Flu Virus Spread Quickly

    500 million
    people were estimated to have been infected by the 1918 H1N1 flu virus. At least 50 million people were killed around the world including an estimated 675,000 Americans. In fact, the 1918 pandemic actually caused the average life expectancy in the United States to drop by about 12 years for both men and women.

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    In 1918, many people got very sick, very quickly. In March of that year, outbreaks of flu-like illness were first detected in the United States. More than 100 soldiers at Camp Funston in Fort Riley Kansas became ill with flu. Within a week, the number of flu cases quintupled. There were reports of some people dying within 24 hours or less. 1918 flu illness often progressed to organ failure and pneumonia, with pneumonia the cause of death for most of those who died. Young adults were hit hard. The average age of those who died during the pandemic was 28 years old.

    2. No Prevention and No Treatment for the 1918 Pandemic Virus

    In 1918, as scientists had not yet discovered flu viruses, there were no laboratory tests to detect, or characterize these viruses. There were no vaccines to help prevent flu infection, no antiviral drugs to treat flu illness, and no antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections that can be associated with flu infections.

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    Available tools to control the spread of flu were largely limited to non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPI’s) such as isolation, quarantine, good personal hygiene, use of disinfectants, and limits on public gatherings, which were used in many cities. The science behind these was very young, and applied inconsistently. City residents were advised to avoid crowds, and instructed to pay particular attention to personal hygiene. In some cities, dance halls were closed. Some streetcar conductors were ordered to keep the windows of their cars open in all but rainy weather. Some municipalities moved court cases outside. Many physicians and nurses were instructed to wear gauze masks when with flu patients.

    3. Illness Overburdened the Health Care System

    An estimated 195,000 Americans died during October alone. In the fall of 1918, the United States experienced a severe shortage of professional nurses during the flu pandemic because large numbers of them were deployed to military camps in the United States and abroad.

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    This shortage was made worse by the failure to use trained African American nurses. The Chicago chapter of the American Red Cross issued an urgent call for volunteers to help nurse the ill. Philadelphia was hit hard by the pandemic with more than 500 corpses awaiting burial, some for more than a week. Many parts of the U.S. had been drained of physicians and nurses due to calls for military service, so there was a shortage of medical personnel to meet the civilian demand for health care during the 1918 flu pandemic. In Massachusetts, for example, Governor McCall asked every able-bodied person across the state with medical training to offer their aid in fighting the outbreak.

    As the numbers of sick rose, the Red Cross put out desperate calls for trained nurses as well as untrained volunteers to help at emergency centers. In October of 1918, Congress approved a $1 million budget for the U. S. Public Health Service to recruit 1,000 medical doctors and more than 700 registered nurses.

    At one point in Chicago, physicians were reporting a staggering number of new cases, reaching as high as 1,200 people each day. This in turn intensified the shortage of doctors and nurses. Additionally, hospitals in some areas were so overloaded with flu patients that schools, private homes and other buildings had to be converted into makeshift hospitals, some of which were staffed by medical students.

    4. Major Advancements in Flu Prevention and Treatment since 1918

    The science of influenza has come a long way in 100 years!

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    Developments since the 1918 pandemic include vaccines to help prevent flu, antiviral drugs to treat flu illness, antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections such as pneumonia, and a global influenza surveillance system with 114 World Health Organization member states that constantly monitors flu activity. There also is a much better understanding of non-pharmaceutical interventions–such as social distancing, respiratory and cough etiquette and hand hygiene–and how these measures help slow the spread of flu.

    There is still much work to do to improve U.S. and global readiness for the next flu pandemic. More effective vaccines and antiviral drugs are needed in addition to better surveillance of influenza viruses in birds and pigs. CDC also is working to minimize the impact of future flu pandemics by supporting research that can enhance the use of community mitigation measures (i.e., temporarily closing schools, modifying, postponing, or canceling large public events, and creating physical distance between people in settings where they commonly come in contact with one another). These non-pharmaceutical interventions continue to be an integral component of efforts to control the spread of flu, and in the absence of flu vaccine, would be the first line of defense in a pandemic.

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  7. luisHK

    luisHK


    What is the science behind HGH keeping u stronger to fight covid ?¿ On GH myself btw, more curious than trying to be negative here.
    Not much afraid of covid either, know a bunch of people who´ve had it, from no deal to no huge deal, nothing close to deserving locking down society, although some of course would have rather avoided covid (several wouldn´t have noticed the difference, at least from another mild infection most people catch rather regularly, and the feedback I get in Madrid, a city hit hard by the virus, is that this is the case for the large majority of young to moderately old people)
     
    #157     Oct 15, 2020
  8. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    As I said, I felt of for a few days, did get the fever for 1 night, went to bed woke up with a soaked bed but all fine, wasn't until 2 weeks later when most of my mates had it, sadly they all died, no hang on none of them.

    The Cold I've got at the moment, head ache, stomach ache and aching muscles is wayyyy worse the odd annoying sneeze, had 4 already, bloody masks in shops spreading them like crazy.

    There really trying, nearly at the Peak of hospital admissions, if we can get over that then there is a chance.

    Mayor of Manchester said NO we aren't doing a lockdown your all muppets, hopefully more follow suite, then when it's all over with no lockdown in 2weeks time, then they'll make up more BS and lock us down, because this year is a really bad Flu season or someone died in a car crash so all cars banned or we'll see, they'll manage it.
     
    #158     Oct 15, 2020
  9. easymon1

    easymon1

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  10. arko_man

    arko_man

    Sweden had near Zero extra deaths, they didn't murder there own citizens on mass, while pretending to save them from a virus, they can't actually defend them from.
     
    #160     Oct 22, 2020
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