Even Obama Slams Stein's Recounts: The Results "Accurately Reflect The Will Of The American People"

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Scataphagos, Nov 26, 2016.

  1. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    This is the United States, not the United Peoples.
     
    #121     Nov 30, 2016
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  2. Zzzz1

    Zzzz1

    You make some excellent points and i don't think that the electoral college is in question here or elsewhere. Most on the left and right realize the deficits but also the great advantages this system presents.

     
    #122     Nov 30, 2016
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Your comment to me:

    And Americans care a whole lot about Chinese policies and politics, for example. Well, educated, informed, and intelligent Americans at least. Because they understand that Chinese policies and its adjustments greatly affect the US and rest of the world. So do Russia's policies, Germany's, Japan's. But if you referred to a hillbilly as your average American then you are probably right, they could not care less than what's for dinner the same day.
    Ergo, if I don't care about Chinese politics, I'm a hillbilly. That's what you were saying, right?
     
    #123     Nov 30, 2016
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Take a stab at expressing your opinion on US Politics? Or spend all day doing it?

    You pretty much argue with everyone here. You seem to delight in it.

    What you call hypocrisy (from the cheap seats, I might add) we call politics. I am not distancing myself from Trump. I am not at all apologizing for him - not in the slightest. Do I acknowledge he could improve? Hell, yes. But he's a much better choice than Hillary would have been.
     
    #124     Nov 30, 2016
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  5. Zzzz1

    Zzzz1

    That was absolutely not what I was saying. You may want to read again

     
    #125     Dec 1, 2016
  6. Zzzz1

    Zzzz1

    Apparently you don't seem to be all too comfortable with your choice.

    Back to the topic, recounts are a democratic right, given deadlines and other regulations are adhered to. I don't understand why it is despicable to consider a recount if such is warranted. We can argue about the benefits of a recount but you seem to imply that once a president is elected everyone has to shut up and go along with it and single hallelujah. I disagree. And I believe many even ultra conservatives hugely underrate Obama. He will go into the history books as a measured and wise president who has at least had the best interest of the people on his mind. He started to turn around the momentum of sending ever more American troops abroad and started to get less engaged at a world stage rather than more. Was he a perfect president? Far from it. But he was certainly not one of the worst. But of course anyone who subscribes to white supremacist movements could never admit such. (I don't imply you are part of such group)

     
    #126     Dec 1, 2016
  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Thanks. Just read it again, sounds exactly the same.
     
    #127     Dec 1, 2016
  8. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I'm just fine with my choice. It was the best one I could make under the circumstances. I knew it would be imperfect, and it was.

    Please show me where I said once a President is elected everyone has to shut up and go along with it. Take your time trying to find it.

    What I did say is that once a President is elected, saying "he/she is not my President is foolish, as if you are a citizen, then the elected President is yours whether you voted for him/her or not. Obama was my President the last 8 years, even though I despised him.

    I also contradicted your comment that stated the following complete bullshit: "If you seriously can stand here and say that there is no problem when half the citizens cannot accept the president...". To claim that half of the population hasn't accepted that Trump won is a complete and total fabrication. There is a small minority of individuals on the far left (and getting smaller by the day) that hasn't come to terms with the fact that Trump was elected. There are rules about recounts, and as long as they follow them, they should get their opportunity (even if the very same people claimed Trump's threat made prior to the election to not accept the results was considered to be "undermining democracy").

    In summary, protest peacefully all you want. Push for recounts in the confines of the law. Once all options are exhausted, accept the President. Or don't - it makes no difference.
     
    #128     Dec 1, 2016
  9. Zzzz1

    Zzzz1

    You just twist words to bend someone else's statements or to remove your neck from the noose.

    * what I said about "shutting up and going along with it once a president is elected" and what you claimed you said are absolutely identical in meaning.

    * you twisted my words, i said "more than half the people do not accept Trump as their president", I did not say "half the people did not accept he won". Huge difference.

    Let's agree to disagree. It was a mistake to engage with you, not because you make for intelligent exchange (you do) but because you apparently can never be wrong. In the recent post history you apparently could never admit you were on thin ice with your arguments to anyone, ever. (even though you often were).

    To summarize your stance of the world: "we can't ban or confiscate guns anyway so let's not regulate them" and "as apparently we can only choose between Hitler and Stalin I will vote for Hitler". What a sad life if one feels so limited and boxed in, thinking so few choices exist.

    I leave the last reply to you, feel free to run your mouth as you usually do, but I found exchanging thoughts with you is pointless. I believe people do have real choices, more and better ones than you suggest to yourself are available.

     
    #129     Dec 1, 2016
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Right, and that's a total fabrication. "Half the people" are not refusing to accept Trump as their President. A small group are. The vast majority of the other group may not have voted for Trump, but they are peacefully accepting his win.

    I've no problem admitting a mistake when I make one. Others here who I have debated with will tell you that is the case. But the reason I make few is because I carefully think out my responses before I type them, and if there is a topic where I am ill informed, I usually stay out of it because I can't contribute.

    My stance on the 2nd amendment has been stated numerous times here, if you care to read before you tell me what my position is. That does not mean my stance on the whole world follows the same.

    I appreciate the last reply, thank you. I found exchanging thoughts with you extremely amusing, and enjoyed exposing you for the bullshit artist, and foreign elitist you are.

    Enjoy the rest of your day.
     
    #130     Dec 1, 2016
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