Destriero - Butterfly Trades

Discussion in 'Options' started by ironchef, Dec 11, 2020.

  1. tsznecki

    tsznecki

    You are quoting riskarb from '03. In dest's more recent posts(< 5 years) he absolutely trades directional.
     
    #201     Jan 11, 2021
  2. taowave

    taowave

    Someones getting close to the secret sauce :)
     
    #202     Jan 11, 2021
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  3. destriero

    destriero

    Yeah, a lot has changed in 17 years. I was mostly working legit arbs (COMS multi-listed under RAES) and rate arbitrage in the early 2000s. That, and unwinding of the telecom dereg and internet bubble. I didn't start making stupid money until I traded a bias. I've made more in the last four years than the prior twenty. I've doubled my net liq three times in the last four(years).

    Don't trade neutral... even if it means a large reduction in exposure. I am not stating that you can't trade neutral wings, but it's not a trading strategy. And I am referring to systematic vol-sales via ICs and the like. It will always end badly unless you can time it or hedge in D1 or cheap verticals.

    I am essentially trading permutations of one position in vol now. It's not flies, but I still trade flies in large size for a three to seven day hold.

    Use wins to finance wing buys (deep verts). Trade futures around your position. Stick to liquid contracts. Work on a skew and smile model. Believe what you see and predict where it will be (sticky models).
     
    #203     Jan 11, 2021
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  4. destriero

    destriero

    And by "bias" I mean it to express a move in strike vol on contamination/touch, not simply a market bias (but that, too).
     
    #204     Jan 11, 2021
  5. taowave

    taowave

    You lost me at "use wins to finance wing buys(deep verts)"

    How is a wing related to a deep vert?



     
    #205     Jan 11, 2021
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  6. I've been struggling to learn directional trading ever since I saw a post of yours saying something like "you'll never amount to jack in this business unless you learn to trade directionally." Unfortunately, none of my experiments have worked out - they were break-even at best. Any suggestions on a method or approach?
     
    #206     Jan 11, 2021
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  7. .sigma

    .sigma

    Ironically all I had to do was study a bit of the Greek language and a tad of Latin and all of a sudden riskarbconvexxdownprufatticusdesterio‘s post became more clear, like a veil lifted.
     
    #207     Jan 11, 2021
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  8. .sigma

    .sigma

    i think he meant wing/deepvert is synonymous

    Use the wins (realized gains) to finance the wings on deep ITM verticals?
     
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    #208     Jan 11, 2021
  9. .sigma

    .sigma

    Do you recommend always initiating a natural fly slightly OTM at order entry? In the direction of your price/vol bias? Instead of ATMF?
     
    #209     Jan 11, 2021


  10. New word: contamination
     
    #210     Jan 11, 2021
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