Zimbabwe went broke seizing land, Venezuela is about to go broke seizing platforms?

Discussion in 'Economics' started by crgarcia, Feb 16, 2008.

  1. Brandonf

    Brandonf Sponsor

    Yes, and no one gave him a damn thing either other than opportunity. He didnt ask the government for that opportunity, he dug into his own soul and created it.
     
    #31     Feb 17, 2008
  2. Agree, this guy had a winner mentality.

    Perhaps he just had a bit high goals to begin, but ultimately it paid off.
     
    #32     Feb 17, 2008
  3. You are typical of liberals everywhere. If anyone disagrees with you, you immediately go for the race card. Your kind of cowardly name-calling doesn't impress me or anyone else, so fuck you and welcome to ignore.

    I deal in facts, not feel good fiction. Anyone with a brain can see what has happened and what is happening in Africa, your chamber of commerce fantasies notwithstanding.
     
    #33     Feb 18, 2008
  4. I think Camarada Chavez is about to go ask Camarada Fidel for a little guidance...

    Business is looking ugly for PDVSA, Exxon wants to beat the crap out of em, and once they're done CVX is gonna beat em a little more.
     
    #34     Feb 18, 2008
  5. The slogan, "Arbeit macht frei," was placed at the entrances to a number of Nazi concentration camps, not as a mockery, not even literally – as a false promise that those who worked to exhaustion would eventually be released – but rather "as a kind of mystical declaration that self-sacrifice in the form of endless labour does in itself bring a kind of spiritual freedom."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei

    that is what theories like religion impose on people; self-sacrifice all your fucking life, and die suffering, endless labour

    for that reason i love religion, and i never want religion to demolish, if it weren't for these loads of shit how else would you get stupid people to constantly think within a desired framework
     
    #35     Feb 18, 2008
  6. one reason they don't dump the homeless into some nevada desert; when people see them it creates fear within them, that if they don't work they will end up something like that

    it's a fear creating factor within cities

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    I don't know if you can categorize poor people as homeless, but from my experience since most are stupid, they can be categorized as the lesser humans
     
    #36     Feb 18, 2008

  7. He had a vision.

    Poor people need a vision and the wilingness to work hard to achieve it.

    Handing money to the poor by itself, unfortunately, is not enough. It actually perpetuates their condition if that is all that is given to them.

    As I read in a book a while back, poverty will not be erradicated by bringing poverty into the minds of the rich but by bringing riches into the minds of the poor....
     
    #37     Feb 18, 2008
  8. faure

    faure

    So according to you all whites in (South) Africa are greedy and they deserve to have everything they have redistributed? Two wrongs do make a right then?

    Unlike most (all?) the posters on this thread I actually live in South Africa, and while things are not perfect and the gap between rich and poor is huge there isn't going to be any social revolutions. Why? There is too much money vested in keeping the status quo. The government, especially Jacob Zuma has the support of the poor while being on the side of those who have money. Redistribution (read socialism) will not make the poor richer over time - it will just make everybody equally poor.

    Poor countries are poor because their economics systems propagate their current situations. And while rich countries are partly to blame (last time I checked WTO rules said subsidies were "illegal") the poor can't keep bemoaning the injustices of the past.

    It's time for the poor countries to stop looking for handouts and make something happen, and thankfully the South African government realises this.
     
    #38     Feb 18, 2008
  9. Enginer

    Enginer

    If I had to chose between racism ("we are the best") or Political Correctness, I would be in a quandary.

    I rather think the gems of the New Testament should be applied to inter-personal relationships.

    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you may have a basis in tribalism, but then most of us act like teenagers anyway. That's why more mature societies have been more successful. And yes, they even fight wars and wage imperialism more successfully. They carefully weigh what's in it for themselves, and act advisedly.

    Why is it the middle class is taxed for greed, but when you can hire lawyers and accountants, the tax becomes proportionately less?
     
    #39     Feb 18, 2008
  10. That is true not only for people but also for countries.
    I think that the reason for this is that money represents no real wealth, the only real wealth is the one you carry inside your head, if you want to help people get out of poverty, don't give them money [that will only hurt them] give them education, skills and an oportunity to earn their own bread in a level enough playing field.

    This applies to all most of people as well as most countries. [after all, isn't a country nothing more than a large group of people?]
     
    #40     Feb 18, 2008