zero sum game?????????????

Discussion in 'Trading' started by madmunny, Feb 25, 2006.

  1. There are guys that make a living off the opens...they know what I mean :)
     
    #61     Feb 25, 2006
  2. I believe in opportunity cost.

    eg. I buy at $1, sell at $2... then the stock goes to $3. I made $1 profit, but I lost $1 in opportunity.

    If you don't believe in opportunity cost then it's not zero sum.
     
    #62     Feb 25, 2006
  3. like I said, it's all how you frame it... once you trade for a decade or two, you realise that your opportunity losses are the most significant losses.

    If I buy something at $10 and it goes to $15 and sell, I made 50% profit... if the stock continues to rise to $50. IMO, that is my biggest loss of the year. The fact is I made $5 and lost $35.
     
    #63     Feb 25, 2006
  4. I agree trend_guy. I would rather take an actual loss than close out a long position the day before the stock doubles. Sounds rediculous I know.
     
    #64     Feb 25, 2006
  5. trend guy

    soooo....i buy 1 million shares of google at 100 bucks a piece and sell them at 101 dollars and make 1 million profit........i am actually -249 million cause i didnt sell them at 350 dollars?????????????

    please stop posting cause your an idiot

    oportunity cost has 0 do to with zero sum
     
    #65     Feb 25, 2006
  6. Anyone who understands this concept IMO has experience and makes money. The the only way to understand this is to sell at $15, make 50% profit and see the stock go to $50. If you think you didn't lose anything for selling at $15 you probably shouldn't be trading because you just don't get it.
     
    #66     Feb 25, 2006
  7. LOL!

    Good luck trading madmunny.
     
    #67     Feb 25, 2006
  8. I'm not the one freezing my ass off in Saskatoon brother! LOL
     
    #68     Feb 25, 2006
  9. I also wish you good luck in your trading MM. Thanks for the discussion, I enjoyed it.
     
    #69     Feb 25, 2006
  10. In the options and futures market it is a zero sum game (include comm. and expense and time value of money it's a neg sum game)

    But going long on STOCK equity doesn't mean there is always someone on the short for that stock at a 1 to 1 ratio...So in this Market it is not a zero sum game. Longs all win and lose together on the percieved value of the paper you hold..

    I look at the Market as a "Ponze Sceme", Ponze said he could double your money in a year. one man believed him..Ponze then spent that year looking for 2 new people to believe him..he found them, took their money and at the end of the first year.. the first man got twice the amount he gave Ponze...Word broke out around town that Ponze could double your money and everyone before you new it was giving Ponze money and for years he kept doubling the early investors money...A PYRAMID SHEME...Ponze had so much money that he left town and lived a luxurious life..

    Moral of the story lets hope your not the man with the paper when the buyers disappear...


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    #70     Feb 25, 2006