zero sum game?????????????

Discussion in 'Trading' started by madmunny, Feb 25, 2006.

  1. hels02

    hels02

    Hrm. What was wrong with my painting analogy:)?

    3 lithographs sell for different prices. They cost the same price to print from the printer, and the same 2 seconds to sign and number by the painter.

    None of them 'cost' any differently, but they sell at 3 different prices. Who's the other side of the 'zero sum'?

    The paintings have a range of X to X + Y value now and they didn't cost anyone anything, not even the painter because he only had to paint once and now has a lot of prints to sell... but they keep going up in value.

    Wealth was 'created' no?
     
    #601     Nov 7, 2006
  2. MTE

    MTE

    Page 101...I'm up 4 pages :D
     
    #602     Nov 8, 2006
  3. 777

    777

    Stock trading like Casino Poker can be beatable games for expert player.

    HOWEVER, Trading and Casino Poker are not Zero Sum Games.

    In a Zero Sum Game, ALL money wagered is returned to the players. In both Trading and Casino Poker the players are charged fees to play.

    "Zero Sum Game " is a term with a precise definition that can be looked up: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia .

    Even though Trading and Casino are normally beatable there are instances where unknowledgeable players are charged fees that are too high so that they will lose in the long run no matter how well they play. Fortunately, this is not the case at most firms or casinos.

    Most of the arguments surrounding Zero Sum Game/Trading result because the posters both have different definitions of the term. When it comes to definitions, "I try not to roll my own".
     
    #603     Dec 13, 2006
  4. depends on which markets you are talking about. futures and traded stock options are zero sum. Equities are not, as they can be awarded to directors/insiders etc who have "paid nothing" for them, but sell them on to the next guy.
     
    #604     Jan 20, 2007
  5. Boib

    Boib

    How about a scenario where buyer A buys when a company goes public at $10.00.

    He sells to buyer B @$20, who sells to buyer C @$40 who sells for $ 100 to a Group of investors who take the company private.

    Where is the loser? :confused:
     
    #605     Jan 20, 2007
  6. me too
     
    #606     Jan 21, 2007
  7. Yes, and he was right. :D
     
    #607     Jan 17, 2009
  8. This is NOT necessarily true. Yes there is a buyer and seller that match each other, but what if the buyer is long term intraday. Got in at 9:45am, took a paper loss for 1 point and held on and the seller got out for a 1 point profit. At the 10:56am the buyer that bought at 9:45 gets out for a 5 point profit and etc....

    Just because you profit for a 1-2-3 and etc points and get out it doe not mean that the other trader held one as long as you
     
    #608     Jan 17, 2009
  9. Mav88

    Mav88

    hey witt, I can't believe you responded to a two year old post.
     
    #609     Jan 17, 2009
  10. Please show me where this is NOT correct.

    Thanks

    NUTSNEAL
     
    #610     Jan 17, 2009