Zen and The Art of Trading

mind · Sep 21, 2004

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profit distribution, for one...
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second time i run into this topic within a few days. what do you mean by that? not to many big winners? meaning not too fat tails in the profit distribution?

peace

darkhorse · Sep 21, 2004

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second time i run into this topic within a few days. what do you mean by that? not to many big winners? meaning not too fat tails in the profit distribution?

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gotta learn to walk before you can crawl

(reverse that)

mind · Sep 21, 2004

and i was afraid you would write something arrogant or plane.

peace

martys · Sep 21, 2004

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second time i run into this topic within a few days. what do you mean by that? not to many big winners? meaning not too fat tails in the profit distribution?

peace
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I think he meant analyzing the profit distribution of your own trading... where a small amount of winners are responsible for the most profit?

May darkhorse elaborate please!

What do other people think the core 20% of trading is comprised of?

martys · Sep 21, 2004

Quote from Everest:

Any formn of trance is merely an altered state. The question is, when you relax deeply are you able to access the unconscious.

Once you are in a trance, it is difficult to auto suggest, as you shouldn't really function like that.

Here is one routine I used at the beggining.

By the way, the self hypnosis bit is courtest of Milton Erikkson's wife - Milton himself thought the model very elegant and simple - I was taught it by Dr Richard Bandler (now there is a mind).

The whole basis is turn ones attention and focus internally.

so;

relax in to a chair or bed, whatever makes you comfortable.

I then make the suggestions and changes I would like to see. I ask my unconcious to help me with, where it feels it is appropriate, and I also thank it in advance for it's help.

I also say how long i would like to be in a trance, and describe how i would like to feel when i come out. I repeat to myself that if while i am in a trance anything requires my urgent attention, like the house is on fire, then i will be fully alert and in a full state to deal with the problem.

Then, i say to myslef;

now i am sitting here, i can see ( whatever I can see)

then i sya it again, seeing something else.

then again with some thing else.

note - i don't move my eyes or change the focus, its just what i am aware of

then I say

now i am sitting here, i can hear .........

again (with something else - you get the picture)

agian

then

now i am sitting here, i can feel ( my heart beating, for exampel)

again

again

by this time my eyes have normally closed

then i go back to the top,

now i am sitting here i can see .....and at this point it's an internal image

again

then hear

again

then feel

again

(the feelings at this point are normally things associated with the vision - ie i can feel the sun on back warmimng me right through, or the sand inbetween my toes

then see

then hear

then feel

and by then i am normally off with the fairies. generally i don't get that far. now it's anchored

the more practiced you get, the easier it gets, the faster it works, the better the results

give it a whizz. clearly don't do it when you are attempting to do anything other than be very relaxed in an eye shut situation. ie best not try whilst driving or whatnot

happy blankness to you!
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Thank you for your help. Do you mean you made the auto-suggestion before the trance? Or do you tape the script?

I am getting some materials on self-hypnosis. It is funny during my search, most of the stuff I run into are about how to screw with other people's head and penis enlargement.
I think I am gonna stick with the basics. Any recomendations?

dbphoenix · Sep 21, 2004

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I am getting some materials on self-hypnosis. It is funny during my search, most of the stuff I run into are about how to screw with other people's head and penis enlargement.
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Penis enlargement through self-hypnosis? Now I do believe that is one I have not heard before . . .

Flashboy · Sep 21, 2004

Quote from Everest:

Hi Martys

thanks for the reply.

I'll try that.

Has the self hypnosis helped - undoubtedly. It's really useful for all sorts of things, from goal setting to getting the kids to bed (hypnotising them not me!)

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Hey Everest,

How does self hypnosis work .. I have a self hypnosis tape.. but haven't seem to have gotten anything out of it.. probably using it incorrectly..

Do you put the tape on and then proceed to concentrate on those things you want to sink into your subconscious??? Like concentrating on trading properly, patient, with discipline while the tape is playing in the backgroud?

dbphoenix · Sep 21, 2004

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Do you put the tape on and then proceed to concentrate on those things you want to sink into your subconscious??? Like concentrating on trading properly, patient, with discipline while the tape is playing in the backgroud?
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I have a better idea. It involves sitting naked in a chair with a big hole in it with a tennis racket underneath and a foot pedal . . .

Flashboy · Sep 21, 2004

Disregard previous post..

asked the question before finishing the thread.

Flashboy · Sep 21, 2004

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I have a better idea. It involves sitting naked in a chair with a big hole in it with a tennis racket underneath and a foot pedal . . .
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db,

I am reading from your response that you are telling me to go f**k myself.. Am I reading this correctly?? If so, have I done something to offend you?