Youtube shooter

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, Apr 4, 2018.

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    #81     Apr 5, 2018
  2. Oops. Was attempting to reply to Slartibartfast.
     
    #82     Apr 5, 2018
  3. I’m sure the .223 vs .22 thing is just a misunderstanding. I’ve never owned a gun and had an idea of the difference from the movies and YouTube videos I’ve watched.
     
    #83     Apr 5, 2018
  4. I have flu, no humor right now :)

    Do 22LR AR-15s mods exist? yes but the normal caliber is the school shooter's choice. Misinformation of that kind is dangerous and I wonder if intentionally deceitful.

    Expertise does matter, especially when dealing with such levels of confident and ignorant.

    For example.. My friend's teenage son was shot in the head through the wall by his neighbor who was a moron. The boy would have been far better off had he been killed outright.

    I advised Tsing Tao a while back after he said he used his own AR/FN for 'home defense' to put bullet proof drywall around his kid's bedrooms. This is because his FN SCAR 7.62 is VERY powerful and stray rounds would go through interior walls like they were not even there.

    His response? he has "hollow points". He reckoned that they would fragment, a common myth. They actually go through drywall, like 20+ sheets + much soundproofing (in a video I posted) and still easily kill.

    The point is that handing military grade (just not full auto) guns to ignorant men is breathtakingly foolish. I have no problem with Americans having ARs (I do if because of peer pressure), I am just saying that they need to properly trained (a couple of weeks with the national guard, ideally more in the spirit of "well regulated") as a crazy number of accidental incidents occur.

    The Army don't give you a real gun until they think you are trained and appreciate what it is, but a civilian can pickup basically the same gun with nothing comparable to actual training?

    The NRA are in the business of lobbying for the gun industry. Their gun safety courses are a pathetic joke. And some people are just too crap to own a gun, just like some can't pass a driving test.
     
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    #84     Apr 5, 2018
  5. PETA members have committed more mass shootings than NRA members.
     
    #85     Apr 5, 2018
  6. Vegan activists have committed more mass shootings than NRA members.
     
    #86     Apr 5, 2018
  7. Youtubers have committed more mass shootings than NRA members.
     
    #87     Apr 5, 2018
  8. I was an unarmed security guard in a large California high tech company. They were very serious about proper search and arrest procedures. There are very specific things that one must do and and what one cannot do to remain compliant with the laws to minimize potential civil and criminal liability. I can only imagine what would be involved with guns in California.

    Some of my fellow security guards were ex-cops or failed law enforcement qualification. A few of these people were seriously bent. One guy who was at one time armed, felt a sense of loss because he did not take advantage of an opportunity to legally get away with killing a trespasser. He apparently later learned some of the investigation procedures related to shootings. His attitude was “If only I knew back then what I know now.”

    In my opinion, the best trained police force in the world is the California Highway Patrol. I have had many interactions with them including professional and, ahem, other than professional contact. The level of professionalism of these officers consistently ranged from extraordinary to exceptional. When I was in a driver improvement class for a speeding ticket, the instructor asked all of us if we thought the officer giving us the ticket was professional. When I unwittingly gave an ambiguous answer, the officer followed up with me. This told me they are very serious about the performance of their officers.

    My impression, based on heresay, is that civilian gun training is very basic. In my opinion, Weapons training should as such to convey the weight of responsibility that gun ownership entails. The fact they have impressive driver improvement classes taught by CHP tells me there is no reason for lower standards with weapons training.

    If I ever were to purchase a gun, I would ask law enforcement where I could find the best training and would gladly pay a premium for superior weapons training. I would recommend anyone who owns a gun to make sure they get the benefit of multiple years of professional experience though quality training. A good training program will have lessons learned from thousands, if not millions of gun-related and legal situations that have faced gun owners.
     
    #88     Apr 5, 2018
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  9. The only people who have a list of NRA members to check if they have are not are the NRA. So you have no goddam clue is this is true or not.

    More NRA bullshit spin.
     
    #89     Apr 5, 2018
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  10. Funny thing is I watched the new CHIPS movie with my girlfriend last week. She may never let me pick another comedy haha, even though I must admit I do kinda look like a bigger version of Dax Shepard lately, she thought that was a hoot. I liked it though The Other Guys which I loved was also a flop, the deer vagina jokes just did not translate.

    But yes, I'm sure the CHP are well trained though the normal LA cops are crap I recall. In 1999 I was ticking a bucket list item by being in TV show as a random monster extra (Angel) and a Swedish guy staying with us disappeared for two days. He had gone to use a pay phone (mobiles uncommon then), it was broken so he went to the next one and cops arrested him for suspected drug dealing. They would not even go back 200 yards to see the first phone was out of order.

    He was furious being in their lockup two days but the lawyer told him they would swab his old car and find a trace of cocaine (20 year old car, probably 10 owners) and he was done so walk away. That is bully cop stuff western Europeans never would believe.

    But yes 'Bent' is a very good word for some guys.

    A gun is a serious thing and an NRA gun safety course is nothing. They seem to work hard to underplay the seriousness of guns as it sells more. Like a trading school, all you need is to average 2 ES points on only 10 cars, two hours in the morning and that is 240k. Five grand please for the course. How hard can it be?

    Live fire against an armed opponent is not Call of Duty, like live trading when you start, your body absolutely knows this is real and it is hard to keep a clear head. The NRA is helping flog expensive ARs because they have a good margin for their clients, the gun makers.
     
    #90     Apr 5, 2018