Your Vaccine Passport

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, May 3, 2021.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Why do you need the vaccine if you've already had COVID?
     
    #31     May 11, 2021
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    All that says is ~40% of the population wouldn't fly again. Bring on the airline consolidations! Much needed and overdue anyway.
     
    #32     May 11, 2021
  3. The other day I said that before long Biden will be working with Chic Flllet to offer a free chicken sandwich of some sort if you get a vaccine.

    Ye of So Little Faith probably scoffed at that but we are getting there.

    Probably a good move on Biden's part because his voters look to McDonald's for trusted medical information.

    McDonald's partners with the Biden Administration to provide trusted, independent information on COVID-19 vaccines


    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...formation-on-covid-19-vaccines-301288291.html
     
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    #33     May 11, 2021
  4. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    Good luck getting an answer to that.
    Natural immunity is superior but there’s no money to be made from it.
     
    #34     May 11, 2021
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Because in 40% of people who catch COVID their antibody immunity does not even last 6 months. 20% of the people don't develop antibody immunity at all after being sick with COVID. All of this is supported with clear scientific studies that have all been posted.

    This is why you need to get vaccinated -- even if you previously had COVID.
     
    #35     May 11, 2021
  6. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    That's been explained multiple times to those that continue asking the same or similar like question and a few times to the Covidiot you're responding too.

    Also, explained multiple times is that as the economy is opening up, schools going back to in person learning, people traveling more...

    There are people out there that have a compromise immune system and they can not be around someone that's not vaccinated.

    In addition, people that choose to not be vaccinated...that's their right. Yet, its not their right to infect others that have an immune system compromise or doesn't know they have an underlying medical condition that Covid can exploit.

    Last of all, there are mutations of Covid and most likely there will be new mutations every year that requires a new shot every 1 - 2 years. One reason out of several about why mutations occur...the negative side of being not vaccinated especially when mutations cross a border (e.g. air travel...someone infected travels to another country and then infects someone in that country that's not vaccinated).

    The above has been explained multiple times.

    wrbtrader
     
    #36     May 11, 2021
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  7. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    Vaccine antibodies only last till your next booster shot. Maybe. Enjoy!
     
    #37     May 11, 2021
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Honor system, paper cards won't cut it for COVID vaccine verification, experts say. 'Vaccine passports' are coming.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...id-19-vaccine-verification-coming/7130642002/

    No shirt, no shoes, no vaccine — no service.

    That's the future critics of "vaccine passports" fear as Americans vaccinated against COVID-19 can safely live more normal lives, now including spending time in most indoors settings without a mask.

    The notion that a "passport" could separate the vaccinated from the unvaccinated has sparked fears of a dystopian future where a person's health decisions would limit where they could travel, where they could shop, what events they could attend and whether they would be asked to wear a mask.

    Many states have taken a stand against that possibility.

    Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Montana, South Dakota, Texas and Wyoming have all moved to restrict the use of "vaccine passports." Even more states have signaled they're not interested in launching any such program.

    “The residents of our state should not be required by the government to share their private medical information,” Doug Ducey, Arizona's Republican governor, said in an April statement. “Vaccination is up to each individual, not the government.”

    Idaho Gov. Brad Little, a Republican, went even farther in his criticism: “Vaccine passports create different classes of citizens.”

    But many public health experts are exasperated by the controversy, given that Americans have long been expected to provide proof of vaccination in some circumstances.

    “It’s not a new idea that you would document whether or not you’ve been vaccinated and share that information at certain points,” said Rebecca Fielding-Miller, a professor at the Herbert Wertheim School of Public Health at the University of California, San Diego.

    “This is something we already do,” she said.

    Schools typically require students be vaccinated and proof of vaccination has long been a staple of international travel.

    While critics fear the technology could be used to restrict the daily freedoms of Americans, few health experts expect or want that.

    What is a 'vaccine passport'?
    A "vaccine passport" has become an ill-defined buzzword for vaccine verification. While there are many programs in the works, none has yet launched as a national or international standard.

    “There is no vaccine passport right now,” Dr. Jay Wolfson, a public health expert at the University of South Florida, told USA TODAY on Thursday.

    For now paper CDC cards that are easy to fake and hard to put in a wallet or purse have served as the default verification method. Wolfson expects something else to take their place soon, especially for international travel.

    But with no federal vaccination database, the logistics of verifying a person's vaccination status are a challenge. Obtaining vaccine documentation beyond the CDC card would require navigating a patchwork of systems and regulations that vary between states.

    Further complicating matters: States' vaccine passport bans may extend to issuing documentation for the purpose of providing proof of vaccinations, as is the case in Florida.

    Wolfson said state governments' bans show that vaccine verification programs will likely not be widely run by states.

    But business — most notably cruise lines — are increasingly motivated to find ways to keep their customers safe. Some will continue to seek out technologies to verify customers' vaccination status, he said.

    In a high-profile April example, the parent company of Norwegian Cruise Line announced it would require all passengers and crew on its ships to be "100% vaccinated" two weeks before boarding.

    After cruise ships became ground zero for deadly COVID-19 outbreaks early in the pandemic, it makes sense the business would want to "be as squeaky clean as possible,” Wolfson said. “They don’t want to have this happen again.”

    And in the U.S., businesses have good legal standing to require customers to be vaccinated, said Wolfson, who holds a law degree from Stetson University College of Law.

    What's wrong with the term 'vaccine passport'?
    The term has led to negative connotations, possibly leading some people to believe they would be used to keep unvaccinated people out of common public spaces like dining and retail — but that's not the future Rachael Piltch-Loeb sees.

    Piltch-Loeb, an associate research scientist at NYU School of Global Public Health, said on Thursday most public health experts envision "vaccine passports" being used in situations similar to ones where vaccine verification is already fairly common.

    International travel, schools, colleges, some workplaces and some large events likely have an interest in keeping vaccine rates high and are prime areas for vaccine verification, Piltch-Loeb says.

    Retail, restaurants, and other daily activities are less likely to require vaccine verification, she said.

    Such businesses generally don't to want to act as a “vaccine bouncer," Piltch-Loeb said.

    That played out on Friday when Trader Joe'sand Walmart said they would allow vaccinated customers to shop without a mask but wouldn't require any proof of vaccination.

    In general, there's little appetite in the public health community for a future where an app-based passport, possibly controlled by a tech company, would regulate Americans' ability to do everyday activities like go to a grocery store.

    Many of the experts who have been advocating for other public health measures like masks and social distancing throughout the pandemic share privacy concerns about a digital passport of medical information. It could become a "slippery slope," Wolfson said.

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    What's at risk with 'vaccine passports'?
    Health experts say a solution for verifying a person's COVID-19 vaccination status is needed, but there's plenty of room for debate about the details.

    It's easy to compare a vaccine passport to a "no shirt, no shoes, no service" sign, but in reality, “this is something kind of new,” Wolfson said.

    The disease is new, the politicization around it is new, he said.

    Wolfson said tech companies are among the most likely players in the vaccine passport space, and there's real questions about how much health data people should be willing to give to big tech.

    But at the same time, being able to verify who has been vaccinated and who is not is a growing problem, given how effective the vaccines are at preventing the spread of a virus that has killed nearly 600,000 Americans to date.

    “There is a definitive public health need for … proof of vaccination,” said Brian Castrucci, president of the de Beaumont Foundation, a health advocacy organization, said.

    Castrucci said that the politically charged discussion on the topic was “premature and distracting." He emphasized the focus at the moment should be vaccinating Americans and worried that the debate was a sign that vaccines themselves were becoming a political battleground.

    “We continue to politicize a public health crisis,” said Castrucci. “Even the suggestion of a vaccine passport … pushes nearly every partisan button on the right.”

    It's a continuation of a trend seen in mask mandates and state shutdowns, he said. Liberals were more accepting of “collective action” — changing their behavior for the common good. Meanwhile conservatives tended to push back to threats to individual liberty.

    “This is what happens when you politicize a public health crisis,” Castrucci said.
     
    #38     May 15, 2021
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    a paper social security card is good enough for employment authorization, a paper CDC card is good enough for vax validation.
     
    #39     May 15, 2021
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Employment verification is done through eVerify. A paper social security card is not enough. In fact employers don't even ask for it -- they just want your SSN to run through eVerify.
     
    #40     May 15, 2021