YOUR Religion

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by estrader, Feb 5, 2006.

What is your religion/religious heritage?

  1. Christian

    54 vote(s)
    42.9%
  2. Buddist

    7 vote(s)
    5.6%
  3. Muslim

    11 vote(s)
    8.7%
  4. Hindu

    4 vote(s)
    3.2%
  5. Liberal

    3 vote(s)
    2.4%
  6. Marxist

    3 vote(s)
    2.4%
  7. Agnostic

    44 vote(s)
    34.9%
  1. On the contrary. I think I was suggesting a return to any kind of unity in which we give back the individuality and free will we were gifted in birth...is an unfounded fear.

    I couldn't find midicholorean in the dictionary so i'll guess. The miraculous could be broken down almost scientifically...and may well be not too far down the road. The causative factor being love. Then there's magnetism, attraction, compression affecting a "zero" point.

    One could say the universe, the mass, the atomic structure, is held together by love, and it is reality. By the same process, love can alter and rearrange any type of mass or atomic structure. We call this a "miracle" but it's just another application of creative power within reality. Reality responds to love.

    JohnnyK
     
    #61     Feb 14, 2006
  2. Sorry – I was joking around with you about the midicholoreans. That’s a Star Wars term for a sub-sub-microscopic life form that exists in everything and is the elemental structure behind The Force.

    Actually, though, I wasn’t joking completely because what you are saying is essentially, as far as I can tell, a very similar concept to that of George Lucas and other New Agers. The only difference, I would guess, is that you don’t believe that violence/force is ever part of true love whereas Lucas clearly believes that sometimes love must be defended if necessary…
     
    #62     Feb 15, 2006
  3. Yes, we may be talking about the same thing. It's also coincidental that Lucas refers to them as a life form. I too would suggest they are self aware and very much alive. As such, they respond to love, as does all life.

    For discussion, I will refer to these particles as *adamantine* particles (ap = singular, aps = plural), from the word 'adamant'.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=adamant
    From an allegorical point of view, you could think of these as the 'dust' that made up the first 'adam' or man. But not only man, everything else...including the winds and the dust! You can even include thought forms, giving thought mass, made up of aps. Not coincidentally, it was Napoleon Hill who coined the phrase: "Thoughts are things." But I would suggest thoughts are alive, aware, and responsive to love. You could think of thoughts as arrows, and love as a bow.

    So I would be referring to the smallest particle that is no longer divisible in any way. The greeks meant to describe this particle using the word 'atom'. But our classified atom is made up of, who knows, millions? of the smallest particles...just to get our bearings. And whereas an atom is mass derived from the smallest particles, the smallest particles are primal, not derivative, not divisible and are what creates mass. These ap(adamantine particles) mark the transition point between the divisibility of finite mass and matter to the indivisibility of the infinite spirit. The aps belong to both worlds, the finite and the infinite...insomuch as the spirit is infinite and includes ALL THAT IS, without exception. This is the *whole* spirit...which you might call 'holy' spirit. As the aps belong to both worlds, it can never be true that mass is in any way separate from the infinite spirit. All is one. While the spirit is certainly good and divine, the quality most advantageous for us to be aware of at this point, is that the spirit is whole, encompassing everything, indivisible, non-separable, all-inclusive. Thus, all is good, and all is divine at it's core.

    So from a Star Wars pov, there is no Dark Side that is separate and opposed, so much as there is a denial of indivisibility, and a denial of love...with it's consequent effects. Further discussion should reveal, contrary to Star Wars myth, that the darker one becomes, true power becomes ever more illusive, requiring more force and friction based technologies, creating ever more dense circumstances, requiring even more force and friction. It is self defeating, and the weakest position from which to fight anything.

    In fact, there is no "force" in the way of love. Not surprisingly, two sides using "The Force" are bound to fight battles across the galaxy.



    Lucas has a lot of battle scenes in his space movies. This is just Hollywood entertainment. I will talk about war on earth later, but for now, war between galactic forces are unlikely, if not possible. Here's why. Technology follows consciousness. The kind of technology needed to get from one biologically supportive world to the next nearest air-breathing world...is SO dependant on extremely high consciousness, that war or intent to do damage is highly unlikely. Such technology cannot be force-based, nor the consciousness that builds it. Thus, anyone who would do us harm cannot reach us (or anyone else)...and those who can are not likely going to intend harm. Likewise, we will not be able to reach other civilizations (if they are across our galaxy) with our force/friction based technologies. There must first be a paradigm shift away from force/friction technology to non-force technology based on a better consciousness of infinity, indivisibility, magnetism, compression, and ultimately higher frequencies/potencies of love function. This is a paradox in which we disarm in order to gain true power. So...no armies in space.

    E=mc^2 offers us a paradigm shift that is yet to be completely leveraged. It's a milestone in the direction we need to go to get to non-force based technologies that require zero friction.

    Force is a legacy of a separatist mind-set that perceives only divisible mass within laws of conservation. This is the mind-set that currently equates energy with mass, as in, E = m. As long as E = morons, we will be fighting wars on our planet, unable to reach any other civilizations.

    I would say that force/violence is NEVER part of the kind of technology, nor the consciousness that builds it...that can get us to the next galaxy.

    JohnnyK
     
    #63     Feb 15, 2006
  4. For your amusement, I will explain the creation of our universe, expanding upon your biblical point of view. Since this might be thought of as my religion, I suppose it is on-topic. I don't know what religion means, really, and prefer to think in terms of faith + consciousness = growth = our purpose here.

    The bible describes creation in seven stages/phases, calling them "days". I will attempt to step through the phases as humbly as possible, without stepping on any toes. This is just a sketch. I'm hoping to get a job with Lucas Films writing some background material for the drama to stage from.

    Phase ONE = "Light":

    In the beginning was God as: Love, spirit, adamantine particles...all three parts making up the one God. The adamantine particles are the living 'body' of God. They are the only particles that can compress into density, and expand into infinity. They equally belong to both the dimensions of density and to the realm of unlimited potential.

    A magnetic vortex formed within the One Spirit. Let magnetism be the phenomenon symbolized by water. Into this 'void' was drawn adamantine particles, called into assembly by the ultimate intelligence, love.

    As the adamantine particles were called into assembly through the agency of magnetism, they began to compress into categories and sub-catagories of elements. The first and primary compression of adamantine particles resulted in the creation of light. This is not like sunlight. Sunlight is a complex result of many levels of compression.

    This was first light. Sunlight, and it's photons, is second density light created in an explosion phase. Here, we are talking about compression produced light. Before the great explosion, all matter were in first density compression, and there was only continuous light.

    Phase Two = "Night and Day":

    As compression proceeds, adamantine particles gather together into greater density. Compression proceeds to an intensity unfathomable to the imagination. Such an intense compression inevitably results in an equally powerful release. Let's call this the "Big Bang", a 'wall of fire' marking a transition between infinite and finite supply. Though not as yet, logic and instrumentation will eventually be able to penetrate this transitional point. All that science has observed so far is the result of that compression.

    From that explosion came an unbridled force of expanding particles, which manifest the phenomena of energy and space as we know it. At this stage there can now be designations of difference between elements, hence, "night and day".

    Phase Three = Separation of "the waters", establishment of "ground", and production of "vegetation".

    Before the creation of suns could occur there has to be, and was, a multiplication of magnetic vortexes, also called 'attractor fields'. As compression proceeds in an expanding universe, multiple vortexes are formed and rapidly multiply. Within the vortexes, differentiated potential develops into specialized realms of manifestation as anti-matter separates from, and permits matter to form. The result is 'solid' matter, 'heavenly' matter, and the various forms of organic life. These are archetypal forms, the basis for eventual appearance here, there, and everywhere. In all living forms there is a magnetic center, and that includes not only the planets, trees, animals and human bodies, but also thought forms, emotions, and consciousness. All are products of compression, and hopefully proceed under the guidance of love.

    Phase Four = Suns.

    Our sun, the one we see from our planet earth, began as a magnetic vortex which drew to itself unaccountable masses of hydrogen gas. It attracted the atoms of hydrogen one after the other until they compressed. As hydrogen compressed, heat was generated and increased. At about 5 to 10 million degrees Kelvin , thermal energy set off a transmutation, which turned hydrogen into helium. Every new level of compression generated more heat, and more transmutation of energy. Here is the progression of transmutation as heat builds up: Helium > carbon 12 > oxygen > neon > magnesium > silicon > sulfur > argon > calcium. Each transmutation brought more density, building a solid ring around the as yet hollow magnetic center, as the magnet began to be even more powerful. At 50 million degrees Kelvin, the preceding elements transmute into iron. Thus, what started out as hydrogen is transmuted into iron through compression and heat.

    At this point, there are three things that can happen:

    1. The transmutation to iron can happen in a matter of seconds. If it does, and the star is a giant, then the entire core could fill with iron. Whenever this happens, a tremendous implosion will cause the star to explode. This is a super nova. It only happens with young giants and is very rare.

    2. The transmutation to iron can happen at a relatively slow pace and fill the entire void, at which time the sun is no longer a living magnet. From that point on it has a finite history, a finite life span. This is a dying white dwarf.

    3. In suns where the transmutation of iron is still occurring, the core is still actively magnetic. These are living white dwarfs. Our sun is one of these.
     
    #64     Feb 16, 2006
  5. Continued from above...


    Phase Six = "Mankind in the image of God"

    Individualized, unique imprints of LOVE expressed as magnetic vortexes with power to extend creations on the same principles that the universe was created in the first place. Each vortex is gifted with a unique viewpoint of infinity. As there are infinite viewpoints of infinity, all are unique, yet all have free will.

    The first principle of creation is love. Mono-unity gives way to stereo-unity in a beautiful symphony of life. Love is a constant = male, masculine. Life is love in action = female, feminine. Multiple compressions and releases create the breath of life. The various rhythms of compression and release creates the dance of life.

    Mankind is both masculine and feminine: Love, and love in action. The very center of man's life is a powerful magnet. It is his source of higher intelligence, and his very life force. It is his heart, and has been called "The Sacred Heart"...it is also the proverbial "garden of Eden", capable of maintaining a paradise of existence. If man centers his existence anywhere else, scarcity will prevail in low levels of reality. Man can return here anytime. If there is some difficulty returning, he can knock, and knocking, it will be opened to him. The heart is well guarded, yet opens to the authentic real. Love is the only thing that is real, and man is love...innocent, pure, perfect. Denials of innocence via judgments of the mind cast man out of his own heart, his true home.

    Phase Seven = Be, command.

    As the first principle of creation is love, and because we are love, there is nothing to do but to BE WHO WE ARE! As love, we have the power to attract to ourselves everything we need. As love, we have the power to ignite into compression every form of energy and every form of supply that our life requires.

    The power to create comes from BEING who we are, more than DOING anything. From this comes the concept of "rest": the proverbial "sabbath". Anything but retirement, the paradox is this is how to create. Love is the first cause, and commands the universe. We gain complete command of our own universe by being the love that we are. To the extent that we deny our identity, we lose command in a frighteningly dense world of separation and scarcity. Doing is force/friction based. Being taps an infinite supply from the other 99% of existence beyond the physical plane.

    Setting the example, God "rests" and does nothing...being Love. Being love, God magnetizes and compresses...compressing and releasing.

    As we do the same, we access our power, the power of love, the love that we are. Resting in the heart, man's Sacred Heart, the earth can be transformed back into a garden of Eden. At that point, both heaven and earth can be a paradise, as man commands the adamantine particles that make up the universe, shaping reality to his preferences. Perfect compression never results in conflict, but in a state of transparent overlay. Compression generates new energy from an infinite supply beyond the laws of conservation. Each new compression creates more energy. Failure to integrate and compress at all results in a life that is disbursed, unfocused, and lacking in energy. Compression brings purpose, priorities and values into view.

    Everything is God. Yet there is God the source, and God the vessel. Compression is the instrument and phenomenon that transforms the Source into the Vessel. As man understands compression, he will be able to re-track that process and discover a more fluid and meaningful connection between the Source and the Vessel than he now has. By grasping this concept and applying it to his life, man can diminish the effects of separation that he now experiences between practical and spiritual existence.

    The physical plane of particle density comprises less than 1% of all existence. Yet, for lack of understanding of how it works, we can focus endlessly on it's many problems and challenges. Some of the chatterers in 'Chit Chat' are endlessly focused on problems. Focusing on all the problems, we will miss the blessings of all that lies beyond the veil of those densities.

    We would be wise to observe the passages of transition between material densities and the rest of existence, lest we become trapped in it's web... on the web. Instead, we could extend creation.

    Maybe I should rest my case now.

    JohnnyK:) :D :)
     
    #65     Feb 16, 2006
  6. #66     Feb 16, 2006
  7. Sorry to take awhile to respond – too much going on. You’re on a roll now, aren’t you!

    If you’re a traditional Christian like myself, one thing about your posts will really stand out: the “creative” aspect. By that I mean, it seems very odd to me how you have, from what I can tell, picked and chosen from various new age beliefs and then pieced it all together to kind of make your own religion if you will.

    That strikes me as an odd approach because if there is a God that has any kind of higher intelligence, then it is unlikely he would make basic Truth so confusing or hidden that it could not be discovered. And if there isn’t a God, then of course there is no legitimate Truth about God anyway.

    So, either way, I don’t see the advantage in essentially making your own religion?
     
    #67     Feb 21, 2006
  8. A rolling stone gathers no moss! Hope these long posts aren't annoying anyone.

    I don't mind making my own religion, but I definitely want to avoid making my own reality. My aim is to distill truth out of an honest look at reality, fill up a few mason jars, and store them for public consumption. If that's religion, so be it. But I'm not aware that I am drawing my conclusions from, or sourcing any compilation of religion, new age or not. Either I am describing reality or I'm not. Either I'm offering solutions or not. I want to describe reality and offer workable solutions.

    I start with reality. I highly suspect that reality describes God, and that God is reality. Touch your face. Is it real? Aha. Then what have we learned about God so far? Look out at the stars...what else have we learned?

    I have several mason jars full aleady, and to the extent that what is in them is effective, workable, solutions oriented, reality oriented, and powerful...then yes i'ld say there is an advantage to whatever is the product.

    You've already noticed I've changed...so there's 100% Proof!

    JohnnyK
     
    #68     Feb 21, 2006
  9. I do appreciate the change: it's much more pleasant to discuss things now. And I understand what you’re saying I think: you believe that you are describing reality as best you can and coming up with the best explanation, i.e. religion as possible. I agree that we all have to do the former. What are we supposed to do – ignore what we observe around us after all?

    But what I’m pointing out is that you have certain categories of belief systems: monotheistic, New Age, Eastern, atheistic/humanistic/materialistic, etc. The approach of New Agers has always puzzled me because if you have 10 million adherents, you have 10 million religions. Each person picks and chooses from a blend of Buddhism, Hinduism, Gnostic Christianity and 10,000 different New Age teachers. I guess what I find puzzling is how could 10 million people be even remotely close to be right?

    Of course, from my standpoint, if there is a God and a divine order and purpose to the universe, then logically that First Cause could make truth be known, right? Well, the New Age model seems the most illogical to me, because, seriously, if there is a God or First Cause, why would ten thousand people be channeling 10,000 different religions?
     
    #69     Feb 22, 2006


  10. If God is love, then first cause is love, yes? Maybe we can define truth as a triangle of God, love and reality. Truth is the point where love and reality are one with God. Suppose truth was only revealed only in the presence of love.

    Now, if we can intuit that mankinds peculiar challenge is a denial of love along a continuum of extremes...what can we expect? Should love force a truth against free will? If love is what is real, we can expect every shade of unreality to compromise "truths" being percieved and offered.

    Occasionally, a group of people who are in a similar state along a continuum of denial and it's effects...this group will look to postulate "truths" distilled from the relative unreality they now live in. Then there is a campaign to get people to agree to the "truth" that has been distilled from that level of unreality. Maybe the truth is still functional and constant...or maybe it has lost all its potency.


    The result is the same unreality, not made any more real by large numbers devoted voters who agree to the unreality. In this way, some religions try to force unreality upon reality. The hallmarks of such phenomenon are the proprietary control of various truths in the hands of a few. There may be an agreement to place reality inside a book, and then to distill truth from within that reality. But to the extent that the varioius readers of that reality fall along a continuum of denial of love, the truths distilled will correspond to that level of unreality. New agreements about the unreal won't make unreality more real.

    So I and many others (ha ha!) agree that there is no safety in large numbers of people who may be agreeing on a particular unreality. We realize we are FREE, and have the RIGHT to seek reality and truth by pointing our compasses. If we point toward LOVE as first cause, we may become more effective in distilling truth out of a more real reality. Those truths should corrolate more closely as they are nearer to the reality they are distilled from. You may be noticing that when you see similarities between various uncorrelated sources. The hallmark of this path is a democracy distilled out of a reality that is democratically gifted to all.

    Maybe this does not answer the question. I will continue to review.

    JohnnyK
     
    #70     Feb 22, 2006