Your Mandatory Covid-19 Vaccine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Feb 26, 2021.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Jabs do not reduce risk of passing Covid within household, study suggests

    People who are fully vaccinated against Covid yet catch the virus are just as infectious to others in their household as infected unvaccinated people, research suggests.

    Households are a key setting for the transmission of Covid infections (pdf), with frequent prolonged daily contact with an infected person linked to an increased risk of catching the virus.



    However, questions have remained – including the true proportion of household contacts who become infected from an initial case, the duration of their infection, and the impact of vaccination on the risk of transmitting the virus and the chance of catching it.

    Now a study has revealed that while vaccination against Covid is crucial to preventing severe disease and death, even fully jabbed individuals catch the virus – and pass it on.

    Writing in the Lancet, researchers from a number of institutions including Imperial College London and the UK Health Security Agency (HSA) report how they analysed data from 204 household contacts of 138 people infected with the Delta variant.

    Of these contacts, who were recruited within five days of their household member showing symptoms and were tested daily for 14 days, 53 went on to become infected, 31 of whom were fully vaccinated and 15 were unvaccinated.

    The results suggest even those who are fully vaccinated have a sizeable risk of becoming infected, with analysis revealing a fully vaccinated contact has a 25% chance of catching the virus from an infected household member while an unvaccinated contact has a 38% chance of becoming infected.

    However, the figures do not shed light on the severity of illness, while the team cautions these figures fall within a range of possible values, meaning the exact size of the difference is unclear.

    The analysis further suggests that whether an infected individual is themselves fully vaccinated or unvaccinated makes little or no difference to how infectious they are to their household contacts.

    The team add that the peak level of virus in infected individuals was the same regardless of whether they were jabbed or not, although these levels dropped off more quickly in the vaccinated people, suggesting they cleared the infection sooner.

    “This likely explains why [fully vaccinated] breakthrough cases are as infectious to their contacts as [unvaccinated] cases” said Prof Ajit Lalvani, chair of infectious diseases at Imperial College London and an author of the study.

    The team also looked more closely at those who were fully vaccinated.

    “What we found, surprisingly, was that already by three months after receipt of the second vaccine dose, the risk of acquiring infection was higher compared to being more recently vaccinated,” said Lalvani.

    “This suggests that vaccine-induced protection is already waning by about three months post-secondary,” he added.

    Lalvani stressed that vaccination, including boosters, was important, noting that unvaccinated people cannot rely on the immunity of those who are fully jabbed for protection.

    Should fully vaccinated individuals become infected, he added, they remain protected against severe disease and death, and tend to have only a mild infection.

    However, when asked if the data suggested booster doses should be offered sooner than six months after a second jab, Lalvani said the emphasis should be on encouraging those already eligible to take the extra dose.

    Prof Rowland Kao, an epidemiologist at the University of Edinburgh, who was not involved in the work, said the estimates of high rates of transmission among household contacts underscored the need to vaccinate teenagers and give boosters to vulnerable people.

    “The vaccinations of younger persons to slow down transmission in the community, and the boosters to directly protect against severe infection and hospitalisation,” he said.

    Kao suggested the findings also added weight to calls for the introduction of further measures in the UK to tackle the spread of Covid, adding the move could also mitigate the risks posed by other respiratory infections including flu.

    “The result that vaccinated individuals who become infected appear to pose a similar infection risk to others also emphasises the need for continued or improved non-pharmaceutical interventions to further slow down transmission rates and ease hospital burdens over the winter,” he said.
     
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  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    The only thing missing on the fence is "Arbeit Macht Frei".


     
    #862     Nov 10, 2021
  3. DT-waw

    DT-waw

    So why exactly US post and congress and CDC and FDA and judges are exempt from mandatory jabs? Answer this you lunatic pathetic cult followers without a brain..... Yeah. do it. Tell us why. :D
     
    #863     Nov 10, 2021
  4. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-493365311101
     
    #864     Nov 10, 2021
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  6. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Keep in mind that most of them are fully vaccinated prior to the vaccine mandates. I posted earlier in another thread the % of the military, federal employees that were fully vaccinated prior to the vaccine mandates and the increasing vaccinations after the vaccine mandates.

    Their vaccination rates within the agencies are high but I strongly doubt it will matter to you.

    Yet, one can argue that the reason why most of them were fully vaccinated prior to the mandates was that they knew the mandates were coming.

    wrbtrader
     
    #866     Nov 10, 2021
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #867     Nov 10, 2021
  8. piezoe

    piezoe

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    #868     Nov 10, 2021
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Obviously you guys don't read much either. The link Cuddles posted even states it as "partly true". GWB says it is fact checked as "completely untrue". He's wrong - again. And the rest of you weren't paying attention and just here for the snark.

    DT-waw asked (albeit snarkily) why the following groups/organizations are exempt from the Biden mandate:

    The US Postal Service: "Because the Postal Service is an independent federal agency that functions under a private-sector collective bargaining model, it is not included in the federal employee mandate, according to a Sept. 16 statement from the agency.

    However, the service is still subject to OSHA regulations, which means it may need to comply with Biden’s large business requirements. " But the postal union has already said they will not comply and there are no efforts to counter this currently. I guess we will see.

    Congress: "Executive orders only apply to the executive branch, and experts say the president does not have the authority to regulate the other branches of government in the same way." So the article claims the President does not have the authority to mandate other branches of government in the same way, but whether he has the authority to do this at all is still a question to be decided in the courts. But the fact is that the democrat majority legislature seems in no rush to order this mandate, and Biden seems to not be pushing hard for it (if at all). So in effect, he's complicit.

    Judges: Same as above.

    CDC and FDA: Both appear to not be exempt from the mandate. So saying that they are is the first bogus claim.

    So really, as the AP - narrative based and slanted article states - this is partly false - and partly true.

    But the claim:

    Is total bullshit.
     
    #869     Nov 10, 2021
  10. piezoe

    piezoe

    How do you read a statement such as this, considering its tone?:

    "So why exactly US post and congress and CDC and FDA and judges are exempt from mandatory jabs? Answer this you lunatic pathetic cult followers without a brain..... Yeah. do it. Tell us why."

    I read this as indicating that the poster DT-waw believes there is something unfair, or nefarious going on in regard to vaccination mandates. Why indeed are some agencies exempt and others not? Well, had the poster correct information to begin, he/she would realize: 1) their own information is defective, and 2) The Administration's mandates can apply only to those bodies, private and public, that the Executive branch of government has Constitutional or statutory authority over. One need not look to conspiracy, willful unfairness, nor deceitful intent to understand why some agencies, companies etc. are mandated while others are encouraged to adopt mandates.

    We are now fortunate to have an chief executive that leads openly by example, whereas the previous executive failed to lead at all by public example -- no mask and no public vaccination -- and instead quietly and privately got vaccinated, after of course the chief executive became acutely ill from Covid and might well have died from it had not measures been taken that at the time were extraordinary.
     
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    #870     Nov 10, 2021
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