Your Mandatory Covid-19 Vaccine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Feb 26, 2021.

  1. Whoa - a not stupid government.
    Finally.

    2023-11-28 16.16.53.jpg

    In related news, New Zealands new gov REJECTS WHO tyranny. It won't agree to Int Health Regulations trojan horse government takeover.
    We might win yet, conspiracy realists.
     
    #1631     Nov 28, 2023
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    No, Iceland has not banned Covid shots. You are peddling misinformation.

    And, No, New Zealand has not "rejected WHO tyranny".

    Of course you are using the same source which claimed that Iceland banned all religions as mental disorders.
     
    #1632     Nov 28, 2023
    Frederick Foresight likes this.
  3. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    He's just a bored QAnon follower who believes any misinformation/disinformation/conspiracy theory about vaccines and the BIG LIE (Biden stole the Oval Office from President Trump by using election fraud).

    More specifically, in my opinion, he may have a mental disorder like many of the other QAnon followers.

    In court records of QAnon followers arrested in the wake of the Capitol insurrection, 68% reported they had received mental health diagnoses. The conditions they revealed included post-traumatic stress disorder, bipolar disorder, paranoid schizophrenia and Munchausen syndrome by proxy – a psychological disorder that causes one to invent or inflict health problems on a loved one, usually a child, in order to gain attention for themselves. By contrast, 19% of all Americans have a mental health diagnosis.

    Among QAnon insurrectionists with criminal records, 44% experienced a serious psychological trauma that preceded their radicalization, such as physical or sexual abuse of them or of their children...

    Depressed, narcissistic and emotionally detached people are also prone to have a conspiratorial mindset. Likewise, people who exhibit odd, eccentric, suspicious and paranoid behavior – and who are manipulative, irresponsible and low on empathy – are more likely to believe conspiracy theories.

    QAnon’s rise has coincided with an unfolding mental health crisis in the United States. Even before the COVID-19 pandemic, the number of diagnoses of mental illness was growing, with 1.5 million more people diagnosed in 2019 than in 2018.

    The isolation of the lockdowns, compounded by the anxiety related to COVID and the economic uncertainty, made a bad situation worse. Self-reported anxiety and depression quadrupled during the quarantine and now affects as much as 40% of the U.S. population.

    https://theconversation.com/many-qanon-followers-report-having-mental-health-diagnoses-157299

    Qanon-Antivaxxer.png

    Yet, individuals posting online during and now after the Pandemic is over does not only hit QAnon/Trump followers...it has hit individuals that are on the left political spectrum too.

    These people regardless of who they politically support should not be trying to weaponize their social media message posts. They should seek mental help and hopefully, they're not trading considering this is a forum for traders that welcomes this type of online behavior.

    My biggest issue with these QAnon conspiracy theorists is with the ones that have shown up to their Trump rallies in U.S. military uniforms or SWAT-like outfits...trying to give the impression this is a WAR against anyone that have proven that Trump's words are in fact...

    A BIG LIE.

    Ironically, hypocritically, they don't say much about Trump and his family being fully vaccinated & boosted...they have not dropped dead, they do not have the fake VAIDS disease...seemingly healthy while battling criminal cases against them in multiple states.

    Simply, the 2024 Presidential election is going to be a shit show with these dickheads hanging around with their conspiracy theories.

    wrbtrader
     
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2023
    #1633     Nov 28, 2023
  4. Overnight

    Overnight

    I get all my accurate worldwide health news and information from the government of Siam. Yes sir!
     
    #1634     Nov 29, 2023
  5. Another victim of "Stab 'em and Slab 'em" Pfizer.
    Or is it
    Poke 'em and Stroke 'em?

    Screenshot 2023-12-01 at 2.59.02 PM.png
     
    #1635     Dec 1, 2023
  6. #1636     Dec 1, 2023
  7. Go, TEXAS!
    2023-12-01 16.03.17.jpg
     
    #1637     Dec 1, 2023
    Van_der_Voort_4 likes this.
  8. unnamed.jpg
     
    #1638     Dec 5, 2023
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    There is already a thread dedicated to the stupidity of Ken Paxton -- the Idiot AG of Texas. Add this to the list.

    Texas sues Pfizer with COVID anti-vax argument that is pure stupid
    Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton struggles with relative vs. absolute risk.
    https://arstechnica.com/health/2023...-covid-anti-vax-argument-that-is-pure-stupid/

    Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton sued Pfizer last week, claiming the pharmaceutical giant "deceived the public" by "unlawfully misrepresenting" the effectiveness of its mRNA COVID-19 vaccine and sought to silence critics.

    The lawsuit also blames Pfizer for not ending the pandemic after the vaccine's release in December 2020. "Contrary to Pfizer’s public statements, however, the pandemic did not end; it got worse" in 2021, the complaint reads.

    "We are pursuing justice for the people of Texas, many of whom were coerced by tyrannical vaccine mandates to take a defective product sold by lies," Paxton said in a press release. "The facts are clear. Pfizer did not tell the truth about their COVID-19 vaccines."

    In all, Paxton's 54-page complaint acts as a compendium of pandemic-era anti-vaccine misinformation and tropes while making a slew of unsupported claims. But, central to the Lone Star State's shaky legal argument is one that centers on the standard math Pfizer used to assess the effectiveness of its vaccine: a calculation of relative risk reduction.

    This argument is as unoriginal as it is incorrect. Anti-vaccine advocates have championed this flawed math-based theory since the height of the pandemic. Actual experts have roundly debunked it many times. Still, it appears in all its absurd glory in Paxton's lawsuit last week, which seeks $10 million in reparations.

    Math argument
    Briefly, the lawsuit and the anti-vaccine rhetoric before it argues that Pfizer should have presented its vaccine's effectiveness in terms of absolute risk reduction rather than relative risk reduction. Doing so would have made the highly effective COVID-19 vaccine appear extremely ineffective. Based on relative risk reduction in a two-month trial, Pfizer's vaccine appeared 95 percent effective at preventing COVID-19—as Pfizer advertised. Using the same trial data but calculating absolute risk reduction, however, the vaccine effectiveness would have been 0.85 percent.

    The difference between the two calculations is quite simple: Absolute risk reduction is a matter of subtraction—the percentage point drop in risk of a disease between an untreated and treated group. So, for example, if a group of untreated people have a 60 percent risk of developing a disease, but, when treated, the risk drops to 10 percent, the absolute risk reduction is 50 percent (60 – 10 = 50).

    Relative risk reduction involves division—the percent change difference between the two groups' risks. So, as in the previous example, if a treatment lowers disease risk from 60 percent to 10 percent, the relative risk reduction is 83 percent (50 percent drop / 60 percent initial risk = ~0.83).

    Both numbers can be helpful when weighing the risks and benefits of treatments, but absolute risk reduction is particularly key when there's a low risk of a disease. This can be easily understood by simply moving the decimal in the above example. If a treatment lowers a person's disease risk from 6 percent to 1 percent, the relative risk reduction is still 83 percent—an impressive number that might argue for treatment—but the absolute risk reduction is a paltry 5 percent—which could easily be negated by any potential side effects or high costs.

    Calculation context
    Similar calculations were seen in Pfizer's trial: Of 17,411 vaccinated people, eight developed COVID-19 during the trial (0.045 percent), while 162 of 17,511 people in the placebo group developed the infection (0.9 percent). The relative risk reduction is 95 percent, while the absolute risk reduction is a decidedly unimpressive 0.85 percent.

    For this reason, anti-vaccine advocates have seized upon absolute risk calculations as a way to downplay the effectiveness of lifesaving vaccines. But this steamrolls over the reason relative risk is used to examine vaccine effectiveness against infectious disease. Absolute risk is most helpful when it's relatively stable and can be confidently calculated, such as calculating the risk of cardiovascular disease in a person, given their blood pressure and cholesterol levels. In these cases, absolute risk reduction is very helpful in evaluating the effectiveness of a treatment. But using absolute risk for infectious diseases is often simply nonsensical because absolute risk can vary dramatically by space, time, and many other factors.

    For instance, a person's absolute risk of flu drops significantly when it's not flu season. Or, if a person hops on a plane, traveling from an area with no endemic malaria directly into an area with a raging malaria outbreak, their absolute risk of infection will skyrocket when they land. And, of course, if people are under lockdowns or health restrictions—as was the case early in the COVID-19 pandemic, when Pfizer's vaccine trials were running—their absolute risk can rise significantly when those lockdowns and restrictions are lifted—as was the case in 2021 after the vaccine's release.

    With absolute risk so variable, relative risk is a more helpful measure of a vaccine's effectiveness—and the relative risk reduction applies regardless of what a person's absolute risk is at a given point in time.

    Artificial numbers
    Another key reason it's safe to ignore absolute risk reduction in vaccine trial data is that it is often entirely artificial. These trials are designed to enroll large numbers of people with the full knowledge that only a small percentage will be exposed during the trial. And they're designed with trigger points—in other words, when the trial hits a pre-determined number of infections, effectiveness is calculated.

    In Pfizer's trial, the trigger point was at or around 170. But, if the trial runners had set the trigger point somewhere else, the absolute risk reduction could easily have been different, even if everything else was the same. For instance, if it was set to 510 and there were 24 cases in the vaccine groups (0.13 percent) and 486 cases in the placebo group (2.8 percent), the relative risk reduction would still be 95 percent, but the absolute risk reduction would be 2.67 percent, not 0.85 percent.

    If Pfizer had waited for all 35,000 or so people in the trial to be exposed to COVID-19 amid widespread lockdowns, it would have needlessly delayed the evaluation and release of the vaccines.

    An analysis from last year estimated that COVID-19 vaccines prevented more than 18 million hospitalizations and more than 3 million deaths in the first two years after their release.

    In a statement to Stat, Pfizer noted the benefits and safety of its vaccine, saying that its representations of its vaccine "have been accurate and science-based. [Pfizer] believes that the state’s case has no merit and will respond to the petition in court in due course."
     
    #1639     Dec 5, 2023
  10.  
    #1640     Dec 6, 2023