jzlucas, here's the thing: So far you haven't come through. In many of the quotes I just don't see the racism. Check out my other recent posts to you. I check the board infrequently, and don't have time to discuss every single quote with you. But I will of course continue to discuss principles with a few of the quotes as examples to make my point. I'm not trying to weasel my way out here, I honestly don't think you've delivered (yet).
Maybe you're not listening hard enough. From his "Heard 'em say" song: Before you ask me to go get a job today, can I at least get a raise on the minimum wage? And I know the government administer aids, Like most blacks (and all too many whites), no appreciation of how markets determine wages. It must be all one big, white racist plot to pay black people peanuts (let's face it, there the ones with the least skills, thus the ones getting the crappy jobs). The goverment administers aids. (Black rates are higher than white, so it's whitey out to get 'em). where I'm from the dope boys is the rock stars but they can't cop cars without seein' cop cars I guess they want us all behind bars, I know it, uh Yep, whites just want blacks thrown into prison. Keen eye, Mr West. ... So now my lil' cousin smokin' them cigarettes now His job try to claim that he too niggerish now Is it cuz his skin blacker than licorice now? I can't figure it out, sick of it now, My God man, it must be. Well done. You spotted evil white racism again. Bravo. This isn't a cherry picked example, I simply chose it because it's getting a lot of air time at the moment. I wouldn't be at all surprised if his other big hit, that Golddigger song, or whatever it's caleld, has just as much nonsense in it. Afterall, this is Mr Kanye "Bush doesn't care about black people" West we're talking about. Maybe to you all this seems harmless and innocent. And it probably does so because it's a black man saying it, and, apparently, they deserve more leeway. But just imagine a white man blaming his problems on blacks and there wouldn't even be any question about his racist attitudes. Like, if a white wrote a song about giving up on basketball because the hectoring of blacks, who see basketball as their game, is too much to have to put up with, along with coaches' prejudices that he can't possibly be as good an athlete as blacks. (Funnily enough, the white man would be pretty much correct, certainly more so than Kanye West, but the song would be soon as hellishly racist, wouldn't it.) Fair enough. I suppose you haven't been exposed to the arguments yet. I've spent a lot of time in forums with blacks, listening to their points of view (amid incessant whining, accusations racism, and fully blown hatred, mind you), and I've become convinced that it's a no brainer. I suppose I don't blame you, as I was similarly convinced that whites are the real racists. But, what can I say? After reviewing everything, that viewpoint just seems so empty and baseless. You know, call me cynical, but I've to grow very suspicious when people start appealing to "complexity". Sure, many things are quite complex, but I find this one of the more straightforward ones. Personally, I don't blame the French at all for disliking Arabs. It was a huge mistake to ever let those people in. A huge mistake. Multiracialism and multiculturalis themselves are huge mistakes. These are some of the most idiotic ideas I have ever heard advanced. I didn't say every black is a racist. I just consider them the bigger obstacle to improved race relations. Sure there are racist whites, too. Unfortunately, most white racists are far more rational in their reasons for their racism. You wouldn't know it from watching TV ("skinhead" nonsense, which is not even close) but they advance some very perplexing arguments for their positions. If you're interested, I'd welcome you to try and refute them. All in all, I find it hard to believe US race problems will ever be solved, honestly. Well, the "solution" is to just avoid it, as most people currently do. Avoid it for long enough, and you can even kid yourself that it doesn't exist. If you've never lived there, you just don't know.
I find just a little danger in this statement in that it is the local rapper with his local community that engrained the underlying messages. I believe it's the local street lingo, the local keeping-it-real aspect, that drives the major marketmakers. Not the other way around. Many of these performers are also regionally supported. Home grown makes a difference too. There are many rappers in Georgia who we'd no nothing about in Chicago, or Dallas (my homes) and vice versa. Being hard core is also a large factor. It does require a certain mind set and swagger also. There are several sub-dynamics at hand in this topic that makes the whole. As one who really appreciates the "Old School," most of the stuff from today's artists comes across for me as crap. Message laden? Maybe. But definitely talent lacking in many instances. It truly is an excuse for not learning the art of singing in many instances. For others with no ability to even carry a tune in a bucket, it's the only way into the marketplace. For me, it is very reminiscent of the flower children movement of the 60's. They took almost twenty years to evaporate from the mainstream. They too believed that they were the new voice of a music and a people. I do remember the protest and message songs of the era. It took a mind set change of the populace. It also adds a bit of credulity to the statement, "those who do not read and understand history are doomed to repeat it." I and many of my associates are starting a similar movement, ever quietly, ever determined to kill this beast. Or should I say, redirect their self-destructive efforts. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!
This phrase struck me as odd in that he feels no need to stop his cousin himself. While I don't know his basis, I do know his mother. She was a professor at Chicago State University. The very school that he dropped out of (grades). Which can be understood with his usage of the language. There are certain concepts that escape his comprehension. One of which is the destructive result of his efforts. And I do know her opinion on drug usage is very liberal. While she does not condone it, she stated to me that she understands it and its apparent need. Which for me, is too bad as it has destroyed far too many!
I haven't come through or delivered yet? I did exactly what you asked - Provided 99 racist quotes from rap artists. I could've easily broke those quotes up in certain cases and made them into several different quotes... but I didn't. Feel free to read the rest of the lyrics to the songs to get the implications. In many cases I provided the name of the group/ album/ etc. There's no question of the anti-white sentiment implied in all of these lyrics.
How many more quotes do you need, jorge? There's hundreds more. It's only a matter of time. Are you going to honor your challenge set forth to me or not?
When are you going to start answering my post? Quote #34 does not contain any racism. Your answer: *** "34. Thereâs 10,000 of us; how you gonna stop this bum-rush, fool. . . . talk is cheap. So, they're not indicating using a gang of individuals to "assault" (to use a friendly term) others not 'like them"?" *** And I'm still saying that this quote is not racist. Your answer definitely does not change that. For all I know, there might be a context which could change this, but then it would be the context that is racist and not the part you've quoted. Honestly, this is a random picked quote - From quick glances at some of the quotes I see you're a long, long way from 100 valid quotes yet. The racism in some of these quotes is imaginary, and you're not paranoid right? And you haven't even started working on the marketshare part, where you have to dig up sales numbers etc. So, yes - you haven't come through yet.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote from jzlucas: They're referring to a bunch of blacks killing whites. I consider that racism. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I haven't found anything indicating that a bum-rush or being bum-rushed has anything to do with killing. Check out this link for instance: http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=20000713 I should add that I cannot deduct anything about anyone being either black nor white from neither "us" nor "fool". Perhaps your sources are wrong... Because you didn't surf around the net and stumble across some white pride website quoting examples of black racism in rap music, now did you? Don't believe everything you read out there