You Only Need $5000 to Make a Living

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by 4DTrader, Jun 12, 2008.

  1. jazzsax

    jazzsax

    Averaging is the devil. fortunately for me over the last few weeks it has worked but i could have been on the nasty side of some nasty losses on the CL.
     
    #51     Jun 14, 2008
  2. Good catch. That is why I questioned this thread based on his thread 2 weeks ago that he was giving up. 4D is a very confused rabbit.

    He has a "very successful system"

    BUT

    He cannot make it work
     
    #52     Jun 14, 2008
  3. Do I have to prove to you? If you answer yes, give me a good reason.
     
    #53     Jun 15, 2008
  4. No, I think you said it best yourself:

    "I have to say that among all the things I have tried, trading is the most difficult. For several times, I thought I got it, but then I made some horrible mistakes that reminded me that I don't know what I am doing."
     
    #54     Jun 15, 2008
  5. First of all, you have no idea what you are talking about. I have no problem pulling the trigger. I just like to go home with a winner when its late in the day. I like the guarantee when there isn't a huge chance of making a big gain anyway. Earlier in the day, and I don't even think about it.

    Secondly, boredom trading has ZERO to do with greed. It has everything to do with boredom, hence the name. I also told you I have negative expectations for the trade, and thus only trade singles in those situations (which is very small for me). If greed was the issue, why would I employ a negative expectancy strategy? Greed is an issue for people that trade too large, or hold a trade too long. Not a problem in my case.

    How did I blow up twice? Well, the first was your run of the mill death of a thousand cuts where I just had a crapload of small losses, and not too many big ones. I didn't know what I was doing.

    The second time, after 10 years trading full time, was much more interesting. It was during the Asian currency crisis in late 1997, and I took an overly large long position in the dollar/yen pair thinking it was way over done by the news. It was just getting started. I was way too cocky to get out with a moderate loss as I had been doing very well for quite some time. By the time I realized (or accepted) I was wrong, I was so much in the red that I just said "what the fuck, do or die", and let it ride. ka boom. Luckily, I didn't have a large % of my net worth in the acct. I took some time off and haven't had a large loss since. I put stops in with every fill immediately, no exceptions. I also trade at a size conducive to my acct.
     
    #55     Jun 15, 2008
  6. $5000 is enough to make a living where? Trailer home in Alabama?
     
    #56     Jun 30, 2008
  7. How do you trade a $5000 account and only risk 1.0-2.5% on each position? You dollar limit per trade is $50-125.
     
    #57     Jun 30, 2008
  8. Lots of BS about risking a small percent of your capital, also totally different situation. In trading, you will spend a lot of time being misled and finding a way out of the maze. You are very confused now, but it's ok, that's learning.
     
    #58     Jun 30, 2008
  9. eagle

    eagle

    You assumed like a bet on horse racing, each bet ($50-125) is an ALL win or loss. :D

    He's talking about two possible scenarios for each long trade for example:

    - Bet all the $5000 and get out if price fell by 1.0-2.5%
    - Bet a portion of $5000, say $500 (10% of $5000) and get out if price fell by 10-25%. Thats called Money Management, how much you afford to lose per trade (10-25%) and how much you afford to lose per account (1.0-2.5%) as in this example using 10% of account fund for each trade.

    PS: Replace 'fell' by 'increased' for shorting. Short selling is another story, you need a margin account.


     
    #59     Jun 30, 2008
  10. Or, in the case of futures, use your $5000 to bet $60,000, and get out if the price falls 0.2%. :p
     
    #60     Jun 30, 2008