You know Republicans really F**CKED UP WHEN

Discussion in 'Politics' started by KINGOFSHORTS, Aug 14, 2009.

They really messed up

  1. Yes

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  2. No.

    4 vote(s)
    23.5%
  1. a "conservative" had no chance in 2008. Put down the pipe and stop listening to rush limbaugh.
     
    #11     Aug 15, 2009

  2. +1
     
    #12     Aug 15, 2009
  3. maxpi

    maxpi

    Oh, yeah, starve the military and there is more money for socialist krap and more money at the end of the year...
     
    #13     Aug 15, 2009
  4. maxpi

    maxpi

    LOL, where's the verbiage that specifically, permanently, denies health care for illegals? Show it to us!! C'mon... we're waiting... anytime now...
     
    #14     Aug 15, 2009
  5. Before you start slamming politafact Let me inform you that they have called Obama on many of his lies





    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...e-health-care-illegal-immigrants-health-bill/



    The Truth-O-Meter Says:

    "All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services."


    No free health care for illegal immigrants in the health bill

    It may be the longest chain e-mail we've ever received. A page-by-page analysis of the House health care bill argues that reform will end the health care system as we know it: "Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed! ... Page 42: The 'Health Choices Commissioner' will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. ... Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services."

    Most of the e-mail's claims are wrong, and you can read our extended analysis to find out why.

    One of its most bizarre claims is the one about free health care for noncitizens, "illegal or not."

    We read the bill and its legislative summary, and could find nothing about free health care for anyone, much less noncitizens.

    To confirm our examination, we turned to Jennifer Tolbert, an independent health care analyst at the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonpartisan foundation that studies health care reform. Tolbert has read and analyzed all the major health proposals, including those of the Republicans, and the foundation provides point-by-point analyses of the plans on its Web site.

    "No one's provided with free health care. That's ridiculous," she said.

    Page 50, which the e-mail references, is part of Section 152, which includes a generic nondiscrimination clause saying that insurers may not discriminate with regard to "personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services."

    The section says nothing about "non-US citizens" or immigrants, legal or otherwise. In fact, the legislation specifically states that "undocumented aliens" will not be eligible for credits to help them buy health insurance, in Section 246 on page 143.

    The bottom line here is the e-mail is making things up. The bill does not say anything close to "All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services." We rate this chain e-mail statement Pants on Fire!
     
    #15     Aug 15, 2009

  6. I would suggest that the legally mandated wording that can be seen in every ER room in the nation, in which you cannot be denied medical service, for among other things, your residency status, is a harbinger of further service available to persons not legally entitled to be present in the US of A, in the ObamaCare wealth / power grab.

    I agree that some administrative improvements need to be made in the way healthcare is delivered, but making a new TSA for health care is not the way to go. Other than the military, can anyone name a well run central government program , that could not easily be provided in the private markets more effeciently ??
     
    #16     Aug 15, 2009
  7. ER Service is not free.They have to treat you,but the ER still bills you.You may not pay up front,and most without Ins don't pay there ER bills,but it is still not free
     
    #17     Aug 15, 2009
  8. TGregg

    TGregg

    But, they promise to do so. And we all know what fine models of integrity our elected leaders are. We can absolutely count on them to ignore their self interest and stay true to their word.

    :D :D :D

    The GOP has been pissing on their base for years. You can go all the way back to Bush 41 and Read His Lips and the flow has only increased over the years.
     
    #18     Aug 15, 2009
  9. Arnie

    Arnie

    If the Republicans ever do run a true conservative, he will win in a landslide. But they won't. The hard right is as fucked up as the hard left. You have two major parties, both controlled by the lunatic fringe. That's why the "independent" or "moderate" voter is the big decider and has been in every general election since Reagan, at least.
     
    #19     Aug 15, 2009
  10. Gregg is an idiot.
    And Grassley is an even bigger idiot.
     
    #20     Aug 15, 2009