You Didn't Do It Somebody Else Did

Discussion in 'Politics' started by oldtime, Jul 19, 2012.

  1. jem

    jem

    Obama and these et commies have the whole message wrong.

    We the People.
    Obama did not build this govt
    We the people built it on own it and we provide for it by our consent.
    We framed the constitution.
    We revolted against taxes from a foreign king so we could build an infrastructure in this country which could support our businesses and freedoms.

    I note sadly -

    we are losing what made america great to big crony business.

    Our big crony businesses even built the "neo socialist" Obama.
    Our insurance companies even dictated the termination of the single payer option to the sellout socialists dems in congress. Big Crony Business built Obama and his administration.
     
    #61     Jul 20, 2012
  2. I don't mind acknowledging that our Country helped get me where I am. There is no multi-tentacled socialist agenda going on, except in the minds of the extreme paranoid right. If you were able to get somewhere all on your own, great, who cares. This is all just political spin, and you should know it.
     
    #62     Jul 20, 2012
  3. While we do need a federal govt, let's not say that they are the drivers of innovation or invention. While military spending has produced technological breakthroughs, infrastructure is best left to private enterprise. The railroads cited earlier are a prime example. JJ Hill's Great Northern Railroad was the ONLY transcontinental railroad ever built in this country that never went bankrupt. He never took a dime of govt money. It was all paid for with cash he made operating the railway and only expanded as he could afford to. We DO NOT NEED govt to build infrastructure.

    Individuals can and certainly have built businesses on their own.

    http://mises.org/daily/2317/
     
    #63     Jul 20, 2012
  4. Daxtrader

    Daxtrader

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    #64     Jul 20, 2012
  5. The United States Department of Energy currently operates 17 national laboratories:
    Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory* at Berkeley, California (1931)
    Los Alamos National Laboratory* at Los Alamos, New Mexico (1943)
    Oak Ridge National Laboratory* at Oak Ridge, Tennessee (1943)
    Argonne National Laboratory* at DuPage County, Illinois (1946)
    Ames Laboratory* at Ames, Iowa (1947)
    Brookhaven National Laboratory* at Upton, New York (1947)
    Sandia National Laboratories* at Albuquerque, New Mexico and Livermore, California (1948)
    Idaho National Laboratory* between Arco and Idaho Falls, Idaho (1949)
    Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory* at Princeton, New Jersey (1951)
    Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory* at Livermore, California (1952)
    Savannah River National Laboratory* at Aiken, South Carolina (1952)
    SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory* at Menlo Park, California (1962)
    Pacific Northwest National Laboratory* at Richland, Washington (1965)
    Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory* at Batavia, Illinois (1967)
    National Renewable Energy Laboratory* at Golden, Colorado (1977)
    Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility* at Newport News, Virginia (1984)
    National Energy Technology Laboratory** at Albany, Oregon; Fairbanks, Alaska; Morgantown, West Virginia; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; and Sugar Land, Texas (1999)
    [edit]Technology Centers
    New Brunswick Laboratory**, at Argonne National Laboratory
    Oak Ridge Institute for Science and Education* at Oak Ridge, Tennessee
    Radiological and Environmental Sciences Laboratory**
    Savannah River Ecology Laboratory*
    * GOCO (Government-owned, Contractor-operated)
    ** GOGO (Government-owned, Government-operated)
    [edit]List of scientific user facilities

    Accelerator Test Facility
    Advanced Light Source
    Advanced Photon Source
    Alcator C-Mod
    Argonne Tandem Linear Accelerator System
    Atmospheric Radiation Measurement
    B-Factory
    Bates Linear Accelerator Center
    Booster Neutrino
    Center for Functional Nanomaterials
    Center for Integrated Nanotechnologies
    Center for Microanalysis of Materials
    Center for Nanophase Materials Sciences
    Center for Nanoscale Materials
    Combustion Research Facility
    Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility
    DIII-D Tokamak Facility
    Electron Microscopy Center for Materials Research
    Energy Sciences Network
    Environmental Molecular Sciences Laboratory
    Final Focus Test Beam
    Free Air CO2 Experiment
    High Flux Isotope Reactor Center for Neutron Scattering
    Holifield Radioactive Ion Beam Facility
    Intense Pulsed Neutron Source
    James R. Macdonald Laboratory
    Joint Genome Institute
    Linac Coherent Light Source
    Main Injector
    Los Alamos Neutron Science Center
    Manuel Lujan Jr. Neutron Scattering Center
    Materials Preparation Center
    Molecular Foundry
    National Center for Electron Microscopy
    National High Magnetic Field Laboratory
    National Energy Research Scientific Computing Center
    National Ignition Facility
    National Spherical Torus Experiment
    National Synchrotron Light Source
    Next Linear Collider Test Accelerator
    Neutrinos at the Main Injector
    Notre Dame Radiation Laboratory
    Pulse Radiolysis Facility
    Radiochemical Engineering Development Center
    Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider
    Shared Research Equipment Program
    Spallation Neutron Source
    Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Laboratory
    Structural Biology Center
    Synchrotron Radiation Center
    Tevatron collider
    Texas A&M Cyclotron Institute
    Triangle Universities Nuclear Laboratory
    University of Washington Tandem Van de Graaff
    Yale University Tandem Van de Graaff
     
    #65     Jul 20, 2012
  6. America’s National Laboratory
    system has been changing and improving the lives of millions for more than 80 years. Born at a
    time of great societal need, this network of Department of Energy Laboratories has now grown
    into 17 facilities, working together as engines of prosperity and invention. As this list of 50 Breakthroughs attests, National Laboratory discoveries have spawned industries, saved lives, generated
    new products, fired the imagination, and helped to reveal the secrets of the universe. Rooted in the
    need to be the best and bring the best, America’s National Laboratories have put an American
    stamp on the past century of science. With equal ingenuity and tenacity, they are now engaged in
    winning the future.
    At America’s National Laboratories, we’ve:

    Shown that fusion is not fantasy.
    From a fusion test reactor that
    produced enough power to meet
    the energy needs of 3,000
    homes to the fusion-ignition
    potential of the world’s
    largest and most energetic
    laser, fusion science is
    moving closer to commercial
    reality because of National Lab
    scientists.
    Tamed hydrogen with nanonparticles.
    To replace gasoline, hydrogen must be safely stored
    and easy to use, but this has proved elusive. National
    Lab researchers have now designed a new pliable
    material using nanoparticles that can rapidly absorb
    and release hydrogen without ill effects, a major step
    in making fuel-cell powered cars a commercial reality.
    Made wind power mainstream.
    Increasing wind-turbine efficiency with high-efficiency
    airfoils has reduced the cost of wind power by more
    than 80% over the past 30 years. Now deployed
    in wind farms nationwide, these turbines owe their
    existence to National Lab research.
    Created a pocket-sized
    DNA sampler.
    A tool developed by National Lab
    scientists that identifies the microbes
    in air, water, and soil samples is fast
    becoming a workhorse in public
    health, medical, and environmental
    cleanup projects. Only a few years
    old, the credit-card-size PhyloChip
    is already pinpointing the diseases that
    kill coral reefs, and cataloging airborne bacteria over
    U.S. cities. It was also used to quickly categorize the
    oil-eating bacteria in the deep water plumes of the
    Deepwater Horizon spill.
    Revolutionized medical diagnostics.
    From the original scintillation camera that detected
    gamma rays emitted by radioactive isotopes to
    today’s cancer-detecting, compact nuclear-imaging
    devices and the magnets in MRI scanners—National
    Lab discoveries have revolutionized medicine and
    saved countless lives.
    Redefined cancer therapy.
    A proton accelerator that treats patients with
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    National Lab researchers, as does software that
    targets radiation treatments while sparing
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    Fabricated the smallest machines.
    The world’s smallest synthetic motor, as well as
    radios, scales, and switches that
    are 100,000 times finer than
    a human hair, were engineered
    at a National Lab. These and
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    nanotechnology could lead to lifesaving pharmaceuticals and more
    powerful computers.America’s National Laboratory
    system has been changing and improving the lives of millions for more than 80 years. Born at a
    time of great societal need, this network of Department of Energy Laboratories has now grown
    into 17 facilities, working together as engines of prosperity and invention. As this list of 50 Breakthroughs attests, National Laboratory discoveries have spawned industries, saved lives, generated
    new products, fired the imagination, and helped to reveal the secrets of the universe. Rooted in the
    need to be the best and bring the best, America’s National Laboratories have put an American
    stamp on the past century of science. With equal ingenuity and tenacity, they are now engaged in
    winning the future.
    At America’s National Laboratories, we’ve:
    Explained photosynthesis.
    Ever wonder how plants turn
    sunlight into energy? A National
    Lab scientist determined the path
    of carbon through photosynthesis, a
    scientific milestone that illuminated one of
    life’s most important processes. Today, this
    work allows scientists to explore how to
    derive sustainable energy sources from
    the sun.
    Exposed explosives.
    A credit-card-size detector developed by National
    Lab scientists can screen for more than 30 kinds of
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    requires no power and is widely used by the military,
    law enforcement and security personnel.
    Put the jolt in Chevy’s Volt.
    The Chevrolet Volt would not be able to cruise on
    battery power were it not for the advanced cathode
    technology that emerged from a National Lab. The
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    America’s battery manufacturing industry.
    Confirmed the Big Bang, and discovered
    dark energy.
    National Lab detectors aboard a NASA satellite revealed
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    energy—the mysterious something that makes up threequarters of the universe and causes
    it to expand at an accelerating
    rate—was also discovered by
    National Lab cosmologists.
    Found life’s mystery messenger.
    National Lab scientists discovered how genetic instructions
    are carried to the cell’s protein-manufacturing center,
    where all of life’s processes begin. Subsequent
    light-source research on the genetic courier,
    called messenger RNA, has revealed how
    the information is transcribed and how
    mistakes can cause cancer and birth defects.
    Identified good and bad cholesterol.
    The battle against heart disease received a boost in the
    1960s when National Lab research unveiled the good and
    bad sides of cholesterol. Today, diagnostic tests that
    detect both types of cholesterol save lives.
    Created the toughest ceramic.
    National Lab scientists mimicked the structure
    of mollusk shells to create what might well be the toughest
    ceramic ever produced. The material could lead to incredibly
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    transportation applications.
    Helped catch criminals.
    To DNA testing, we can now add human antibody detection, a
    precise method of matching suspects to crime scenes. The
    technique, created by National Lab scientists, also foils wouldbe drug test cheaters.
    Made refrigerators cool.
    Next-generation refrigerators will likely put the
    freeze on harmful chemical coolants in favor of an
    environmentally friendly alloy, thanks to National Lab
    scientists.
    Brought safe water to millions.
    Removing arsenic from drinking water is a global priority. A
    long-lasting particle engineered at a National Lab can now do
    exactly that, making contaminated water safe to drink. Another
    technology developed at a National Lab uses ultraviolet light
    to kill microbes that cause water-borne diseases such as
    dysentery. This process has reduced child mortality in the
    developing world.
    Delivered troops safely.
    National Laboratory researchers have developed
    computer models that effectively manage the complex
    logistical tasks of deploying troops and equipment to
    distant destinations.
    Brought the Web to the U.S.
    National Lab scientists, seeking to share particle physics
    information, were the first to install a web server in North
    America, kick-starting the development of the Web
    as we know it.
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    of the moon.
    Credit for producing a 3D map of the sky, and 230 million
    celestial objects, goes to National Lab scientists, who also
    developed a camera that mapped the entire surface of the
    moon.
    Found fuel in sewer slime.
    National Lab scientists discovered how to use a catalyst to
    turn gooey residue in food-service grease traps into clean,
    high-quality biodiesel.
    Unmasked a
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    Natural history’s greatest
    whodunit was solved in 1980 when
    a team of National Lab scientists
    pinned the dinosaurs’ abrupt
    extinction on an asteroid collision with Earth.
    Case closed.
    Fought pump friction.
    Friction generated by industrial hydraulic pumps costs industry
    millions of dollars per year in energy bills. A National Lab
    developed a ceramic coating from an alloy of boron-aluminummagnesium that reduces pump friction, decreases wear and
    tear, and may one day pump money back into business.
    Pitted cool roofs against carbon dioxide.
    National Lab researchers and policy experts
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    costs. Think globally: If all the world’s roofs and
    pavement used cool materials, the reduction in
    carbon dioxide emissions would be equivalent to
    taking the world’s 600 million cars off the road for 18 years.
    Toughened airplanes.



    The list had to be shortened a lot to fit the 1000 word limit.
     
    #66     Jul 20, 2012
  7. There is no reason why private industry couldn't eventually provide all of these things. the difference is when times are tough for the citizens paying the bills ( private sector taxpayers) then R&D has to be halted on anything non essential. That of course doesn't happen when the govt is funding these labs. Also, how much of this stuff is necessary at present.. while we all want to know "the secrets of the universe" how much are they worth?

    Money has to be spent responsibly by the public sector, especially the federal govt who is spending the money of the collective taxpayer. We shouldn't be financing scientists hopes and dreams when there is no applicable goal involved. You can't just burn endless amounts of money on research without having any return, that isn't an investment it is just spending. Fine by me when it is affordable but not all of it (probably not much of it) is essential and since we do have runaway spending in the US right now this is the type of stuff that needs to be cut back or even cut off.

    Also, funding by the federal govt means that those who push the agenda of whichever party is in power at the time receive more money. So ideas that really wouldn't get any traction in the free market, like the piece of shit Chevy Volt, get built on the taxpayers back. Huge waste of time, money, resources.
     
    #67     Jul 20, 2012
  8. You've got to be joking.
     
    #68     Jul 20, 2012
  9. ..why?

    I wasn't joking so.. do you have a reason for writing this comment?
     
    #69     Jul 20, 2012
  10. Yes, it doesn't fit his leftist agenda. The guy is an Obama fanboy that spends his time creating bulletpoint lists of all of Hopey's "accomplishments".

    W A C K O.
     
    #70     Jul 20, 2012