YM Magic!

Discussion in 'Journals' started by TheTrue1, Mar 7, 2017.

  1. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    I don't see where you are getting 500%/year.
    Again, I have never traded YM.. but if he's (YMmagic) is making $25 a point (not sure how many contracts that is), and a round trip is $8ish.... and he gets 20 points on one of his winners, ie $500... $8 doesn't sound like much to me. Am I missing something? Again, I don't trade it.
     
    #451     Apr 8, 2017
  2. algofy

    algofy

    Few here seem to understand that % returns are massively different for small accounts vs large accounts.
     
    #452     Apr 8, 2017
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  3. speedo

    speedo

    A round trip of $8 is way too much, a futures commission should be under $4. Currently I am trading the NQ, average win is 19 ticks and average loss is 10 ticks, my commission costs amount to a tick and a half per pair of trades. We day traders don't concern ourselves with such as % per year or use risk mitigation strategies which work on a portfolio( diversification and hedging) but dilute profits for trades. We have to think in terms of cash flow. How much leverage to use is a personal thing but it changes the game.
     
    #453     Apr 8, 2017
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  4. southall

    southall

    How many trades are you doing a day? That is the important stat which you dont mention.
     
    #454     Apr 8, 2017
  5. speedo

    speedo

    Averaging around 10, which is more than the average 6 signals on the ES. But the ES got thin on the bone for the latter half of 2016.
     
    #455     Apr 8, 2017
  6. algofy

    algofy

    So according to southhall it's impossible with your metrics to be a winning trader, am I correct SH?
     
    #456     Apr 8, 2017
  7. speedo

    speedo

    I think he is pretty good at ferreting out the charlatans but doesn't understand the nature of day trading.
     
    #457     Apr 8, 2017
  8. southall

    southall

    What you have is pretty close to the holy grail.
    2500 trades a year in NQ with almost 2:1 win size ratio.
    And 1500 trades in ES, which i presume with similar ratio,

    You should be making 7 figures a year easy then.

    But how many other retail traders can realistically do that kind of trading?
     
    #458     Apr 8, 2017
  9. speedo

    speedo

    I've yet to hit 7 figures which I believe is doable with the ES but not with the NQ as it will not accommodate enough size to avoid getting slugged on slippage. My R/R was more modest on the ES but the win/loss percentage was better....until July of 2016. There are many traders who make more than I do but comparisons are not productive...we should only measure performance to our own history.
     
    #459     Apr 8, 2017
  10. algofy

    algofy

    Depends on the win rate, care to share speedo?
     
    #460     Apr 8, 2017