YES!!!!! The bots are tearing you a new one. Heres's HOW

Discussion in 'Order Execution' started by stock777, May 11, 2010.

  1. Holy shit, the world is ending when people recommend that equities traders switch to FOREX!

    We've been the red-headed bastard step-children forever. Now people wanna come play with us? LOL!
     
    #11     May 12, 2010
  2. Non-displayable orders are dubious at best, so eff em.

    Similar is the iceberg order type; as in, you see the order is for 10, but really its for 1000. Muhahahahahahahahahah
     
    #12     May 12, 2010
  3. Co Location Is A Scam

    repeat after me

    Co Location Is A Scam
    Co Location Is A Scam
    Co Location Is A Scam
    Co Location Is A Scam
    Co Location Is A Scam
    Co Location Is A Scam
    Co Location Is A Scam
    Co Location Is A Scam
    Co Location Is A Scam
     
    #13     May 12, 2010
  4. OK, I repeated. Can you now tell us why?
     
    #14     May 12, 2010
  5. #15     May 12, 2010
  6. The Themis piece is discussing iceberg-type orders, which are used by the big players on the buyside. There isn't a widows-and-orphans story here, AFAIK.
     
    #16     May 12, 2010
  7. bone

    bone

    The BOTS are only tearing you up if you choose to compete with them in their domain and in the space of their business model. IMHO, most independent traders should be moving away from 'stat arb' timeframe holding periods. I have most of my clients holding relative value positions for a few minutes to a few hours or more (depending on their risk appetite and the market space). Time, even a very small amount of time, can cancel out the latency advantage. Consider a strategy that doesn't pay you strictly on speed and low execution costs.
     
    #17     May 12, 2010
  8. drp7804

    drp7804

    I'm having a hard time getting amped up about this article. Neither BATS nor Nasdaq are hiding this information from the public... they post information about these data subscriptions on their websites and a quick google search of "bats multicast pitch spec" gives you the exact byte-for-byte detail of what they're doing. Same for Nasdaq Total-View ITCH. It costs more for those feeds, and less for lesser feeds, but I don't see how that's anymore fair or unfair than... anything else in a capitalist society.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the fraction of traders / investors we're considering victims here are the ones who have enough market savvy to place hidden orders on specific exchanges... yet are not aware that those exchanges publish certain details about hidden orders after execution (yes?). It’s unfortunate that those traders aren’t “in the know”, but I think it’s a stretch to call it unfair. I think it’d be worse to add additional protective government regulation, which would impact a likely larger group of market participants. Obviously, anyone who knows how these hidden orders are handled and doesn't like it can simply vote with their feet and try a different exchange or stop placing hidden orders, etc.
     
    #18     May 12, 2010
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    #19     May 12, 2010
  10. So......
    As long as the reaming is in the fine print, no problemo?
     
    #20     May 12, 2010