Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

Discussion in 'Politics' started by themickey, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Hamas has already killed many of the hostages -- this is why they are called terrorists.

    Hamas issues order to kill hostages if Israeli military attempts rescue
    https://nypost.com/2025/07/26/world...-rescue-amid-failed-cease-fire-talks-sources/

    Hamas is planning to kill the remaining Israeli hostages if the Jewish state sends in troops to rescue them — the latest move by the terror group to undermine peace efforts in Gaza.

    The terror group has reportedly reinstated its previously abandoned kill order on its captives if Israeli forces or anyone else closes in an attempt to retrieve the 50 remaining hostages in the Gaza Strip, according to the Times of Israel.

    That policy had been scrapped after a short-lived cease-fire was reached in January, Hamas sources told the London-based Arabic daily Asharq Al-Awsat. Hamas also reportedly boasted that an Israeli military operation to free the hostages would fail, the outlet reported.

    Of the 50 Israeli hostages remaining in Gaza, about 20 are still believed to be alive.

    The plans come as the US walked away from the latest cease-fire talks in Qatar on Thursday, before slamming the terror group for showing no real interest in striking a deal with Israel.

    President Trump’s Special Envoy Steve Witkoff said “alternative options” to bring the hostages home would now have to be considered, after the latest round of negotiations broke down.

    His comments were echoed by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who said “together with our US allies, we are now considering alternative options to bring our hostages home”

    Neither the US or Israel have offered insight into what those alternative options might include.

    But Trump said he would approve of Israel’s military finishing off Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

    “Hamas didn’t really want to make a deal,” Trump told reporters Friday as he departed the White House for a trip to Scotland.

    “I think they want to die.”

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  3. gwb-trading

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  4. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Hahahahaha.. I just saw the street view. Damn I'm good, it's even silver. Had to be silver or white.

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  5. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Well now, computer is beginning to smell something and it's not just the rotting corpses.

    Prompt: I'm looking for any new information or discussion about Israel knowing about the October 7th attack before it happened.

    "There is strong, credible evidence that Israeli intelligence agencies had specific warnings and plans indicating a large-scale Hamas operation well ahead of October 7. Yet those warnings were systematically and suspiciously underestimated, dismissed, or insufficiently escalated.

    Call for formal public inquiries remains strong, but as of July 2025, none have been instituted. "

    Prompt: "suspiciously underestimated? "

    "Yes—many experts and commentators now describe Israel's failure to act on clear signs of the October 7 attack as suspiciously underestimated, rather than merely a tragic oversight. Here's why that phrase is gaining traction:

    1. Too Much Detail to Ignore
    • The leaked Hamas plan, reportedly codenamed “Jericho Wall,” was not vague. It included entry points, methods (drones, bulldozers, paragliders), and even hostage-taking scenarios—all of which were realized almost exactly during the actual attack.
    • This wasn't buried in some drawer. It circulated within Israeli intelligence and military echelons—with at least one analyst in July 2023 warning it was “not a drill”. That person was ignored.
    When plans are so detailed and accurate, dismissing them as “aspirational” looks less like a mistake—and more like willful blindness or institutional sabotage.

    2. Cognitive Bias or Intentional Disbelief?
    • Israeli intelligence had long believed Hamas was not interested in direct war, but in governance and internal legitimacy in Gaza.
    • This assumption was so entrenched that any contradictory data—no matter how loud or credible—was dismissed. That’s classic cognitive dissonance, but at this scale, some suggest it borders on negligence with motive.
    ️ 3. Convenient for Political Objectives?
    Some theories—still speculative—suggest that underestimating the threat served political or strategic purposes:

    • Netanyahu’s government had been propping up Hamas indirectly (e.g., allowing Qatari funds into Gaza) to weaken the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and keep the Palestinian cause divided.
    • An active Hamas was politically useful: it sustained the narrative that “there’s no partner for peace.”
    • Acting decisively on the intelligence might have derailed that delicate balancing act. This doesn’t imply they wanted the attack—but it could mean they chose not to believe in one because it was politically inconvenient.
    ️ 4. Intelligence Culture Discouraged Dissent
    • Analysts who did raise red flags were reprimanded or sidelined, which speaks to a culture where bad news was not welcome.
    • That’s not rare in bureaucracies, but in Israeli intelligence—known for its elite units like Unit 8200—that sort of institutional arrogance or self-censorship is especially glaring.
    5. Aftermath Behavior Is Also Telling
    • No full public inquiry has yet been convened—a year later. For an event that devastated national confidence, that delay is striking.
    • Multiple resignations (e.g., IDF intelligence chief Haliva), but no top political accountability yet. It creates the impression that someone doesn’t want too much light shone backward.
    ⚠️ In Summary
    “Suspiciously underestimated” is a fair way to describe it because:

    • The specificity of the threat was too high to write off.
    • The pattern of dismissal was too consistent to be accidental.
    • The institutional reluctance to investigate only deepens suspicion.
    There’s no firm public evidence of intentional facilitation. But the systemic, multi-level blindness—in one of the world’s most advanced intelligence communities—can no longer be credibly described as just a “failure of imagination.”

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  6. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    My brother-in-law, and his wife have just had a little girl, a week ago. It's hard to suppress the cognitive dissonance.

    That baby girl had a name.
    She had a mother.
    She cried for milk, and her body burned itself trying to live.

    The latest child to starve to death in Gaza weighed less than when she was born

    https://apnews.com/article/gaza-isr...trition-baby-baf865b861c9a2fd9c75068936062146

    Updated 8:15 PM GMT-5, July 26, 2025

    On a sunny street in shattered Gaza, the bundle containing Zainab Abu Halib represented the latest death from starvation after 21 months of war and Israeli restrictions on aid.

    The baby was brought to the pediatric department of Nasser Hospital on Friday. She was already dead. A worker at the morgue carefully removed her Mickey Mouse-printed shirt, pulling it over her sunken, open eyes. He pulled up the hems of her pants to show her knobby knees. His thumb was wider than her ankle. He could count the bones of her chest.

    The girl had weighed over 3 kilograms (6.6 pounds) when she was born, her mother said. When she died, she weighed less than 2 kilograms (4.4 pounds).
     
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  7. themickey

    themickey

    Still awaiting a reply from @gwb-trading, otherwise it's just more of the same old trolling bs.
     
  8. themickey

    themickey

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    Netherlands lists Israel as threatening state actor alongside Iran, Russia, Turkey

    The National Coordinator for Terrorism and Security (NCTV) report, released on July 17, lists Israel as one of the countries that aims to "control public opinion and political decision making."

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    An illustration showing the flags of the Netherlands (L) and Israel (R).
    (photo credit: Shutterstock/esfera)

    By MATHILDA HELLER JULY 27, 2025

    For the first time, Israel is listed alongside Iran, Russia, and Turkey in the Netherlands' Threat Assessment of State Actors 2025, with the Jewish state listed as one of the countries that aims to "control public opinion and political decision making."

    The report, made by the National Coordinator for Terrorism and Security (NCTV), was released on July 17.

    It maps out threats posed by state actors to the Netherlands, such as through economic pressure, espionage, or military threat.

    In the section about 'Subversive Influence to Alter Public Perception,' NCTV writes that "Israel is also attempting to influence political and public opinion abroad, including in the Netherlands." Israel is placed among apparently equable state threats from Iran, Russia, and Turkey.

    NCTV provides the example of a report disseminated by the Israeli Ministry of Diaspora and Combating Antisemitism following the Ajax-Maccabi Tel Aviv violent attacks in November 2024.

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    Pro-Palestinians demonstrate at Amsterdam's Anton de Komplein square ahead of the UEFA Europa League football match between Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv on November 7, 2024. (credit: JEROEN JUMELET/ANP/AFP via Getty Images)

    "The report was not shared through official channels with the Dutch government but was sent directly to specific politicians and journalists," said NCTV. "The way in which it was disseminated was described by the Dutch Ministers of Justice and Security and of Foreign Affairs as unusual and, due to potential negative consequences for Dutch residents, undesirable."

    "In this way, the individuals mentioned could be intimidated or threatened, or in the worst case, attacked."

    Implications that Israel incited violence during Amsterdam clashes
    The NCTV report seems to be implying that the Israeli government attempted to incite violence against those involved in the attacks.
    Israel is mentioned for a second time later in the report in a section named "[Dutch] Institutions targeted by state actors."

    This part discusses "Well-known targets of state interference in the Netherlands," citing the examples of the International Criminal Court and the International Court of Justice.

    It claims that the United States and Israel "publicly issued threats towards the court, and the United States has imposed sanctions," putting the court's operations at risk.
     
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  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Are you incapable of going back and reading articles in this thread?
     
  10. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Yep, a troll, some things never change. The standard GWB evasion, its in a thread somewhere, if not there its on the internet, I'm not looking for you.

    I can say from memory that the video of somebody firing at an aid drop plane was two clips spliced and thoroughly debunked.

    Bub's whole thesis on responsibility for starvation, is a house of cards, with the top floating unsupported.

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    Gromit is a lot more honest of course, GWB would just be staring at the top cards with no mind to the house collapsed under.
     
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