Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

Discussion in 'Politics' started by themickey, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    You are properly retarded.

    "Yes, this piece raises multiple red flags. It’s not just “fishy” — it’s ideologically loaded propaganda, wrapped in a veneer of realism and strategic analysis. Here's a breakdown of why it should be read critically, regardless of one’s stance on Israel/Palestine:

    1. Weaponized Pragmatism
    The piece presents Palestinian tribal leaders siding with Israel not as a moment for mutual recognition or dialogue, but as a tactical submission. It treats this not as a bridge, but as a cudgel to:

    • “Crush the Oslo framework”
    • “Neuter the PA”
    • “Bury the two-state delusion”
    That’s not diplomacy — that’s a call for political erasure.

    2. False Dichotomy
    It paints a stark binary:
    Cooperate with Israel = noble tribal survival
    Support the PA or resist = terrorism and corruption

    This collapses the complex range of Palestinian political experience into two options — submission or thuggery. It ignores:

    • Moderate reformers within Palestinian society
    • Legitimate grievances against both Israel and the PA
    • The role of settlement expansion and military occupation
    ⚠️ 3. Classic "Invincibility" Doctrine
    This line sums it up:

    “We will have peace only when they believe we are invincible. Not just today, but forever.”

    That’s not a peace strategy — it’s a perpetual dominance model, where power replaces trust, compromise, or even mutual interest. It's deeply influenced by thinkers like Mordechai Kedar, who argue for managing Arabs through fragmentation and fear, not integration or partnership.

    4. Historical Trauma as Justification
    The reference to the 1929 Hebron massacre is emotionally loaded — not without basis, but used here to:

    • Justify permanent mistrust of all Arab actors
    • Frame coexistence as inherently unstable
    • Paint Oct. 7, 2023 (presumably a Hamas attack) as a recurrence of ancient betrayal
    This is trauma-based policy-making, which is understandable from a human point of view, but dangerous as a foundation for national strategy.

    5. The "Forever Occupation" Agenda
    The real aim of this piece is not peace, but:

    • Delegitimizing Palestinian national aspirations
    • Cementing Israeli control over the West Bank
    • Ending the international community’s support for Palestinian institutions
    The language about "reshaping Judea and Samaria on Israel’s terms" is code for permanent annexation, not security or coexistence.

    Does It Reflect Reality?
    It's partially rooted in real trends:

    • Some tribal leaders in Hebron and elsewhere have expressed frustration with the PA
    • There is disenchantment with Ramallah
    • The Abraham Accords did show that some Arab governments are willing to deal with Israel pragmatically
    But it’s twisted into a triumphalist narrative, not a sober analysis.

    Final Take
    This is a highly ideological piece promoting the dismantling of the two-state framework, dressed up in the language of realism and deterrence. It assumes the only viable peace is one where Palestinians are too afraid to resist and too fragmented to self-govern.

    If someone you respect is sharing this as strategic insight, it's worth asking:

    "Is this a plan for peace — or just for permanent domination under the name of stability?"

    Would you like a counterpoint response to this that could be posted online, drawing from realism but not slipping into ideology?"
     
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's catch up with recent news regarding Hamas in Gaza. Hamas is now admitting they have lost control of 80% of Gaza which is now being ruled by various armed family clans. Some of these clans are openly coordinating with Israel and attacking Hamas; the leading one being the Popular Forces led by Yasser Abu Shabab.

    Hamas security officer says group has lost control over most of Gaza
    https://www.newarab.com/news/palestinian-group-gaza-admits-coordination-israel

    Palestinian armed group in Gaza admits to coordination with Israel

    The leader of Gaza-based Popular Forces has admitted to coordinating with Israeli authorities, amid Israel's ongoing offensive on Gaza.
    https://www.newarab.com/news/palestinian-group-gaza-admits-coordination-israel
     
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  3. https://www.wsj.com/opinion/new-palestinian-offer-peace-israel-hebron-sheikh-emirate-36dd39c3

    A New Palestinian Offer for Peace With Israel
    Hebron’s sheikhs propose to leave the Palestinian Authority and join the Abraham Accords.

    The idea of a two-state solution for Israel and the Palestinians has never seemed more futile than in the months since Oct. 7, 2023. But maybe that opens the door to a new way of achieving peace.

    “We want cooperation with Israel,” says Sheikh Wadee’ al-Jaabari, also known as Abu Sanad, from his ceremonial tent in Hebron, the West Bank’s largest city located south of Jerusalem. “We want coexistence.” The leader of Hebron’s most influential clan has said such things before, as did his father. But this time is different. Sheikh Jaabari and four other leading Hebron sheikhs have signed a letter pledging peace and full recognition of Israel as a Jewish state. Their plan is for Hebron to break out of the Palestinian Authority, establish an emirate of its own, and join the Abraham Accords.

    The letter is addressed to Israeli Economy Minister Nir Barkat, a former mayor of Jerusalem, who has brought Mr. Jaabari and other sheikhs to his home and met with them more than a dozen times since February. They ask him to present it to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and await his reply.

    “The Emirate of Hebron shall recognize the State of Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people,” the sheikhs write, “and the State of Israel shall recognize the Emirate of Hebron as the Representative of the Arab residents in the Hebron District.” Accepting Israel as a Jewish state goes further than the Palestinian Authority ever has, and sweeps aside decades of rejectionism.

    The letter seeks a timetable for negotiations to join the Abraham Accords and “a fair and decent arrangement that would replace the Oslo Accords, which only brought damage, death, economic disaster and destruction.” The Oslo Accords, agreed to by Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization in the 1990s, “have brought upon us the corrupt Palestinian Authority, instead of recognizing the traditional, authentic local leadership.” That would be the clans, the great families that still shape Palestinian society.
     
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Of course, Hamas is focused on killing the GHF staff to ensure that food aid is not delivered to Palestinians in Gaza. Unless Hamas can steal all the food aid so they can sell it to the residents in order to pay their militants then the terrorist group wants to shut it down any effort aimed at helping the people in Gaza. Hamas has deliberately targeted aid sites.

    GHF announces Hamas murdered 12 aid staff, tortured others during Gaza relief efforts
    https://www.christianpost.com/news/hamas-murdered-ghf-12-aid-staff-tortured-others.html


    Let's also catch up with how Hamas treats the residents of Gaza. This is your reminder that Hamas has killed more residents of Gaza since 2005 than the IDF. Primarily by torturing them prior to murdering them.

    Hamas caught on camera torturing Gazans, COGAT reveals
    The IDF previously released footage of Hamas torturing Gazans during an execution in Gaza City in June.
    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-859933
     
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  5. themickey

    themickey