Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

Discussion in 'Politics' started by themickey, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Prompt: Who is worse, Hamas or Isis?

    That’s a vital and uncomfortable question—and the answer depends heavily on what lens you’re using: moral, strategic, geopolitical, or humanitarian. But here's a clear breakdown to help you think about it:

    1. Ideology and Methods
    • ISIS (Islamic State):
      • Seeks a global caliphate governed by extreme, literalist interpretations of Islamic law.
      • Known for mass executions, slavery, genocide (e.g., Yazidis), and spectacular acts of terror.
      • Targets everyone outside its ideology—including Muslims who disagree.
      • Embraces apocalyptic violence as a goal in itself.
    • Hamas:
      • Nationalist-Islamist group rooted in Palestinian resistance.
      • Seeks to end Israeli occupation and establish a Palestinian state (though originally called for Israel’s destruction).
      • Uses guerrilla warfare and terror tactics, including rocket attacks and suicide bombings.
      • Has a social wing providing services in Gaza, and engages in governance (however brutal and authoritarian).
    Verdict: ISIS is more extreme ideologically and methodologically, with global ambitions and nihilistic violence. Hamas is brutal and repressive, but more locally rooted and politically focused.

    2. Targeting and Scope of Violence
    • ISIS: indiscriminate mass violence, including attacks on civilians, aid workers, journalists, religious minorities, and Muslims it considers impure.
    • Hamas: primarily targets Israeli military and civilians in the context of the occupation/conflict; condemned for targeting civilians and hiding among them.
    Verdict: ISIS is more globally indiscriminate; Hamas is more focused but still engages in civilian-targeted violence.

    3. Governance
    • ISIS: Ruled territory through terror—executions, sexual slavery, and cultural erasure.
    • Hamas: Authoritarian rule in Gaza with suppression of dissent, but also provides schools, hospitals, and local policing.
    Verdict: Both are repressive, but ISIS’s governance was medieval and genocidal; Hamas governs more like a theocratic regime under siege.

    4. Threat to the World
    • ISIS: Global terror attacks (Paris, London, Sri Lanka, Iraq, Syria, etc.)
    • Hamas: Focused on Israel/Palestine. Rarely if ever operates outside the region.
    Verdict: ISIS is a global threat; Hamas is a regional actor with limited international ambitions.

    Final Summary

    Factor
    ISIS Hamas
    Ideology Apocalyptic global jihad Islamist Palestinian nationalism
    Tactics Genocidal, theatrical terror Guerrilla warfare + terrorism
    Governance Slavery, executions, fear Authoritarian, basic services
    Scope Global Local/Regional
    Threat level Global civilian & state threat Primarily threat to Israel
    So—who is worse?
    ISIS is worse in terms of sheer brutality, global threat, and ideological extremism.

    But if a state actor sponsors or enables ISIS-style groups, claiming it’s a smart tactic—then that state actor is choosing to play with a fire worse than Hamas, and potentially worse than any future alternative.

    Would you like help turning this analysis into a public piece or thread? It’s the kind of clarity many people are missing in emotionally and politically charged debates.
     
    #5341     Jun 6, 2025
  2. themickey

    themickey

    Opponents say Netanyahu's decision to arm "clans in Gaza" to help fight Hamas will come back to haunt Israel
    Haley Ott, June 6, 2025 / CBS News https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-arming-gangs-gaza-clans-activated/

    Former Israeli Defense Minister and opposition lawmaker Avigdor Liberman on Thursday accused Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of authorizing weapons transfers to a criminal gang in Gaza that he likened to the ISIS terrorist group. Netanyahu appeared later in the day to confirm the operation, suggesting it would save the lives of Israeli forces battling Hamas in the Palestinian territory.

    "They are receiving weapons from the state of Israel. It's a total madness," Liberman said in a radio interview. "It's unclear to me who approved it."

    Liberman said the head of Israel's primary domestic intelligence agency Shin Bet was aware of the weapons transfers, "but I'm not sure the [Israel Defense Forces] knows. We're talking about the equivalent of ISIS in Gaza. No one can guarantee that these weapons will not be directed at Israel. We have no way of monitoring or following."

    Liberman appeared to be referring to a militia called the Popular Forces of Palestine, led by Yasser Abu Shabab. The group is opposed to Hamas, the Israeli- and U.S.-designated terrorist group Israel has been at war with for more than a year and a half.

    Popular Forces is believed to be a relatively small armed group based in the southern Gaza city of Rafah. It has been accused of looting trucks trying to deliver aid to Gaza's starving population, which its leader reportedly denied.

    There have been reports that Shabab, the group's leader, was previously jailed by Hamas for smuggling drugs, as well as reports that his brother was killed by Hamas when the group cracked down on attacks on U.N. aid convoys

    Late on Thursday, Netanyahu acknowledged that "on the advice of security officials, we activated clans in Gaza that oppose Hamas. What's wrong with that? It's only good. It only saves the lives of IDF soldiers."

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    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gives a news conference in Jerusalem, May 21, 2025. RONEN ZVULUN/POOL/AFP/Getty

    Abu Shabab denied receiving weapons from Israel in a statement posted on social media.

    "We categorically reject these accusations and consider them a blatant attempt to distort the image of a grassroots force born from suffering — one that stood up to injustice, looting, and corruption," the group said. "This desperate attempt to link us to the occupation is, in reality, an implicit admission that we have become a powerful and influential force."

    Hamas orchestrated and led the Oct. 7, 2023 terror attack on southern Israel that began the war in Gaza. It said, following Netanyahu's remarks, that "every individual involved in these mercenary gangs [Israel has allegedly been supporting] is considered by us to be an Israeli soldier. We will deal with them with full force."

    Israeli opposition leader Yair Lapid responded to the claim that Israel is arming Abu Shabab with a warning that it could see a repeat of a grim history for the country.

    For decades, including multiple terms in office for Netanyahu, Israel allowed Hamas to grow and entrench its control in Gaza, with millions of dollars in support from the Arab would pouring in. It was seen as a cynical bid to prevent a unified Palestinian leadership from taking hold in Gaza and the much larger territory of the West Bank.

    "After Netanyahu finished giving millions of dollars to Hamas, he moved on to giving weapons to organizations close to ISIS in Gaza, all off the cuff, all without strategic planning, all leading to more disasters," Lapid said on social media.

    "Weapons that enter Gaza will eventually be turned against IDF soldiers and Israeli citizens," he said.
     
    #5342     Jun 6, 2025
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  3. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Hamas was born from the relatively sane Muslim Brotherhood founded in 1928.

    Isis, born of al-Qaeda in Iraq, aims for an immediate and apocalyptic caliphate through extreme violence and terror. They declared Hamas apostates for not being evil enough.

    Muslim Brotherhood has legal (or semi-legal) political parties in some countries (e.g., Ennahda in Tunisia, formerly in Egypt).

    ISIS is designated a terrorist organization nearly everywhere and is largely underground or defeated militarily. For now.

    Nutcase Zionists WANT Islamic State to attack Europe as every Jewish martyr scares more Jews to Israel. Now the remnants of Hamas cells are running on last orders/autopilot, time to promote.

    Cynic that I am.
     
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    #5343     Jun 6, 2025
  4. themickey

    themickey

    No matter how deranged Netanyahu's zionist lead government is, the likewise deranged American Democrats and Republican parties backed by deranged evangelicals continue to financially support and arm Israel with weapons in order to continue to fuel the Gaza war.
    All done in the name of a mythical 'God' and 'Jesus'.
     
    #5344     Jun 6, 2025
  5. vztrdr

    vztrdr

    Pretty sure Jesus would be pissed off if he saw someone douse a baby in gasoline and burn it alive in front of its parents.
     
    #5345     Jun 6, 2025
  6. themickey

    themickey

    There is no living Jesus.
    There are plenty attrocities done in the name of 'Jesus'.
    Dousing babies and a God are unrelated.
     
    #5346     Jun 6, 2025
  7. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    #5347     Jun 6, 2025
  8. themickey

    themickey

    Btw, link?
     
    #5348     Jun 6, 2025
  9. Ricky Roma

    Ricky Roma

    Yeah.. Arming rival clans. What a brilliant original plan Netanyahoo. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that. Don't forget that the enemy of that enemy also DETESTS the sight of you. How did that work out for America in Afghanistan?
    You can just see the headlines a few years down the line....Israel arming Hama's friends to take out evil dictatorship they had hand in creating.
     
    #5349     Jun 7, 2025
  10. Ricky Roma

    Ricky Roma

    And following the lines of your argument.... What the hell does USA have to do with Israel? Why are they supporting their genocide against Arab states?
    Why are they trying to undermine the Criminal Court in order to get Netahyahoos war crimes pardoned?
     
    #5350     Jun 7, 2025