Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

Discussion in 'Politics' started by themickey, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    This Asserson study is one of the most in-depth, quoted and comprehensive reports on BBC coverage of the Gaza war. The facts outlined in the report and the summary speak for themselves.
     
    #5321     Jun 5, 2025
  2. Ricky Roma

    Ricky Roma

    Doesn't matter how in-depth, quoted or comprehensive you may say it is. The firm and main partner HATE the BBC. It can't help but be a BIASED report.

    I see you have a lot to say on the Russia/Ukraine war too? So, using the above logic..if you were to receive an in-depth and comprehensive report on the "war" so far from the desk of Mr Putin, you would just believe it word for word, right?
     
    #5322     Jun 5, 2025
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    When it comes to media coverage, I will review any report or study that clearly cites facts and figures on the coverage -- as well as sources which provide fact checking and indicate bias & credibility.

    BBC has an extensive problem with their anti-Israel coverage which has been widely debated and discussed in the British Parliament. There are plenty of sources available discussing the issues with BBC coverage in Gaza -- and a long trail of news stories they have been forced to retract as not credible.
     
    #5323     Jun 5, 2025
  4. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    If you're generally truthful and low-bias, you can’t help but come across as “anti-Israel” these days. The BBC, for example, although sometimes influenced by Tory or Labour pressure, is generally respected. In contrast, Israel has a massive propaganda (hasbara*) operation to counter that kind of neutrality, and its budget has exploded this year.

    My great-uncle, who was Danish-English, worked on the Nuremberg trials and more. I grew up with boxes of evidence, including film reels at my grandmother's. I originally learned to run the projector to watch Charlie Chaplin and Buster Keaton, but eventually curiosity led me to the evidence footage. These weren’t the edited clips used in documentaries. They were raw and horrifying: close-ups of decayed corpses, bullet entry and exit wounds in partly decayed heads, and MUCH worse. Only recently have I seen these forensic evidence nature films used in Holocaust docs.

    That early exposure stunned me. Man's inhumanity made me fucking furious. I hated fascists. I was, by default, sympathetic to Jews, and to the millions of others who were wiped out. I still am.

    But growing up, backpacking a lot, and later working as an anti-poaching ranger in Southern Africa, I met many Israelis. Most were just out of military service and traveling on their government’s dime. The first thing that struck me was the sheer amount of drugs some were using. Not recreationally, but blackout-level. It was clear they were trying not to feel. PTSD stuff.

    Coming from an Irish background, they often opened up to me. Many figured I’d understand the dynamic, due to Northern Ireland. And I did. What they’d been made to do wasn’t "defensive," and it weighed on them. They were carrying moral injuries. And they were pawns.

    TLDR, but the point is: “Never again,” which once meant never again to anyone, has for many Israeli Zionist hardliners become never again to us. They had always planned to ethnically cleanse the area but post Holocaust, things were not as simple with numbers not on their side anymore, Palestinians faster breeding too. And anything is justified in that light, especially for the new nationalists. It’s somewhat like a domestic abuse cycle, where the abused child grows up and becomes the abuser, copying what it saw.

    There are layers of complexity here that many Americans just don’t seem able to perceive. My mom was Amercian but a historian so didn't have this mental blinkering. Well-written modern HBO shows aside, most weren’t raised with exposure to moral ambiguity. They want clean binaries, good guys and bad guys. But it doesn’t work like that.

    * Regarding Israeli "hasbara" (propaganda) operations:
    The Israeli government has significantly increased its budget for public "diplomacy", or "hasbara." In its 2025 budget, the Foreign Ministry to receive an additional $150 million for these efforts. This sum is reportedly more than 20 times what has been allocated in some previous years. The stated aim is to influence global public opinion, particularly in light of the ongoing conflict in Gaza. These funds are intended for media campaigns abroad, foreign press, social media, and coordination with Jewish organizations in the US.
     
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    #5324     Jun 5, 2025
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  5. Ricky Roma

    Ricky Roma

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    CNN review sheds new light on deadly Gaza aid site shooting | CNN

    And no doubt GWB will yet again tell us that this is an untrustworthy source. Their main office isn't in Tel Aviv so how can they be trusted?
     
    #5325     Jun 5, 2025
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #5326     Jun 5, 2025
  7. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    I posted this last night with the CNN report but deleted it and I didn't want to go all technical, it attracts filthy mall-ninjas :)

    What was apparent to me is that 5.56mm rounds being lodged and not going straight through "over penetrating" meant they had traveled a pretty good distance and so lost energy. In the video they show a map indicating IDF were firing from over a kilometer which tracks perfectly. 7.62mm is still affected but less so.

    5.56mm used only by IDF: Standard for Tavor, M16/M4, and Negev LMGs.

    It's crucial to clarify which 7.62mm rounds were recovered, the term is ambiguous. One can be certain that Israel will try and claim that 7.62 = Hamas but not so fast.

    Round
    Typical Weapons/Likely Users
    7.62×39mm AK-47, AKM 56 (Chinese AK47) Hamas or gangs
    7.62×51mm
    FN MAG, Galil sniper, IDF
    7.62×54mm
    PKM machine gun (Russian) Hamas / regional militias.

    If the bullets are 7.62×51mm NATO, that means IDF machine guns or marksman rifles, again reinforcing IDF involvement.
     
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    #5327     Jun 5, 2025
  8. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Sorry I should have said IDF were firing from 400m plus to over a kilometer there. Forward tanks and the outpost as shown on the map.

    This hasbara-promoting website is also informative, just to peak behind the curtain and see how they propagate it: https://hasbarafellowships.org/


    Just out, Little Marco is mad.
    Rubio sanctions ICC for 'targeting' Israel and US
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce80pl1xrllo

    US Secretary of State Marco Rubio has announced his department will impose sanctions on four judges at the International Criminal Court (ICC) for "illegitimate" targeting of Israel and the US.

    The sanctions are in response to the ICC issuing arrest warrants for top Israeli officials, including Benjamin Netanyahu, and its investigation into alleged US war crimes in Afghanistan.
     
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    #5328     Jun 5, 2025
  9. So, your TLDR is basically... as long as the original post? Did you just type 'TLDR' and then keep writing whatever you wanted? Because that's not how it works.
     
    #5329     Jun 5, 2025
  10. ph1l

    ph1l

    not necessarily
     
    #5330     Jun 5, 2025
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