Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

Discussion in 'Politics' started by themickey, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    One of my Ukrainian friends is keeping me up with a little project. I should tell them to stop fighting the Orks and go an visit this guy. He is so cartoonishly baddie with the Hasbara "These a facts! These are facts!". Krisna stays on him but hasbara is gonna hasbara. What was it Bibi was trying to launch the other day "Free Palestine is the new Heil Hitler"? Probably David Mensel's pitch.

     
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  2. themickey

    themickey

    How does food aid, under Israeli control, get stolen?
    How does food aid, under Israeli control, get taken over by Hamas?
    How does food aid, under Israeli control, get hijacked by gunmen?
    How can Hamas reportedly extort/charge Gazans for aid food when it's children with no money going to collect the food?
    I smell bs coming from Israels version of events on why hungry people are suddenly "Hamas" and getting killed.
    This whole war is thick with bullshit, everyday it's more bullshit and guess whose side it is who controls the media.
     
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  3. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    BBC as a source these days, set to play.



    Its nearly 4am, I'm too old for morning meetings in Ukraine from here. Sleep.
     
    #5283     Jun 4, 2025
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  4. themickey

    themickey

    Watch: White House attacks BBC over Hamas coverage
    • 4 June 2025, 8:39am
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    Via Telegraph

    As ever, these days the Beeb is better at becoming the news than making it. Now the White House has taken a pop at the corporation, with President Donald Trump’s press secretary Karoline Leavitt accusing the BBC of having to correct its reporting from Gaza about aid distribution – and of taking Hamas’s word as ‘total truth’. Ouch.

    Pointing to a document of screenshots of the BBC’s website, she fumed:

    The BBC…had multiple headlines: they wrote Israeli tank kills 26, Israeli tank kills 21, Israeli gunfire kills 31. They had to correct and take down their entire story, saying: ‘We reviewed the footage and couldn’t find any evidence of anything.’

    Her remarks come after Israeli troops were accused of firing at civilians after a number of incidents occurred around aid distribution centres ran by the US and Israeli-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation – resulting in the deaths of dozens of Palestinians. For its part, the Beeb has denied Leavitt’s claims and said it stood by its reporting. How interesting…
     
    #5284     Jun 4, 2025
  5. themickey

    themickey

    BBC defends Gaza coverage after White House criticism
    The White House press secretary said the corporation had to ‘correct and take down’ a story but a BBC spokesperson said it ‘did not remove any story’.
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    White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt during a briefing at the White House (Evan Vucci/AP) AP
    Hannah Roberts 10 hours ago

    The BBC has defended its coverage of the war in Gaza, after the White House criticised its reporting of an apparent incident in the territory, which reportedly left a number of people dead.

    Press secretary Karoline Leavitt claimed the corporation, after updating an article’s headline with new information, had to “correct and take down” its story about fatalities and injuries following a reported incident near an aid distribution centre in Rafah.

    The BBC said it has not removed its story and explained that its headlines about the incident were “updated throughout the day with the latest fatality figures as they came in from various sources”, which is “totally normal practice”.

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    White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt holding a document containing images of BBC articles (Alex Brandon/AP) AP

    In a press briefing on Tuesday, Ms Leavitt responded to a question about the incident and said: “The administration is aware of those reports and we are currently looking into the veracity of them because, unfortunately, unlike some in the media, we don’t take the word of Hamas with total truth.

    “We like to look into it when they speak, unlike the BBC, who had multiple headlines, they wrote, ‘Israeli tank kills 26’, ‘Israeli tank kills 21’, ‘Israeli gunfire kills 31’, ‘Red Cross says, 21 people were killed in an aid incident’.

    “And then, oh, wait, they had to correct and take down their entire story, saying ‘We reviewed the footage and couldn’t find any evidence of anything’.”

    While she was speaking Ms Leavitt held up a document that appeared to show a social media post from X, formerly Twitter, with the different headlines.

    The person who posted the headlines also posted a screenshot from a BBC live blog and wrote: “The admission that it was all a lie.”

    The headline from the blog post read: “Claim graphic video is linked to aid distribution site in Gaza is incorrect.”

    A BBC spokesperson said this came from the a BBC Verify online report, and not the corporation’s story about the killings in Rafah, saying that a viral video posted on social media was not linked to the aid distribution centre it claimed to show.

    Ms Leavitt added: “We’re going to look into reports before we confirm them from this podium or before we take action, and I suggest that journalists who actually care about truth do the same to reduce the amount of misinformation that’s going around the globe on this front.”

    A BBC spokesperson said: “The claim the BBC took down a story after reviewing footage is completely wrong. We did not remove any story and we stand by our journalism.

    “Our news stories and headlines about Sunday’s aid distribution centre incident were updated throughout the day with the latest fatality figures as they came in from various sources.

    “These were always clearly attributed, from the first figure of 15 from medics, through the 31 killed from the Hamas-run health ministry to the final Red Cross statement of ‘at least 21’ at their field hospital.

    “This is totally normal practice on any fast-moving news story.

    “Completely separately, a BBC Verify online report on Monday reported a viral video posted on social media was not linked to the aid distribution centre it claimed to show.

    “This video did not run on BBC news channels and had not informed our reporting. Conflating these two stories is simply misleading.

    “It is vital to bring people the truth about what is happening in Gaza. International journalists are not currently allowed into Gaza and we would welcome the support of the White House in our call for immediate access.”

    The corporation has faced a backlash over its coverage of the Israel-Hamas conflict and it emerged earlier in the year that a documentary it aired about Gaza featured the son of a senior Hamas figure.

    Gaza: How To Survive A Warzone was removed from BBC iPlayer after it emerged that the child narrator, Abdullah, is the son of Ayman Alyazouri, who has worked as Hamas’s deputy minister of agriculture.
     
    #5285     Jun 4, 2025
  6. Ricky Roma

    Ricky Roma

    Just more Trump Nazi propaganda from the 30's. Try to discredit all news agencies that don't lick your your butt. I'm sure if BBC was based in NYC it's offices would have been raided by now.
    Big Brother is watching you. Be careful you don't commit a tradecrime.
     
    #5286     Jun 4, 2025
  7. themickey

    themickey

    ‘A place of killing’: The US aid agency sowing chaos in Gaza

    The controversial US aid scheme for Gaza, rumoured to be backed by the CIA, has been plagued by accounts of desperate Palestinians being shot by soldiers.

    By Henry Bodkin and Ruwaida Amer June 4, 2025
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle...ncy-sowing-chaos-in-gaza-20250603-p5m4n9.html

    The aerial photographs show five narrow lanes made of high metal fences wedged between two artificial mounds of earth and topped with barbed wire. Inside, hundreds of people are crammed under the baking sun.
    The sight of ordinary Gazans corralled into cages is not the image Israel’s reputation managers were after. But, just over a week into its controversial new aid delivery scheme to bypass Hamas using a US contractor, that is what they are faced with.

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    Crowds of Palestinians queue for aid at a GHF hub in southern Gaza.

    That, and viral videos of civilians running for their lives to the sound of gunfire, amid accusations – bitterly denied by Israel – that more than 20 were shot dead by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) on Sunday as order disintegrated at a distribution centre in the south of the Strip.
    One man who spoke to The London Telegraph said he found the centre “terrifying” and “like a prison”, but that he was forced there – kilometres from his temporary home – out of fear that his children would starve.

    Another called it “a place of killing”.
    Fuelling the international criticism is the nature of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), the American company created to deliver the new system, with persistent suggestions of CIA involvement, opaque funding and concealed Israeli control.

    This has been enhanced by condemnation from the UN and other large aid NGOs, which want nothing to do with the GHF and accuse it of politicising aid.
    After Sunday’s alleged shooting, and new claims of gunfire killing more than 20 people overnight, the project’s credibility is on a knife-edge.

    From Israel’s point of view, the new system makes perfect sense.
    The government argues that under the previous model, which it cut off entirely at the beginning of March, Hamas robbed the aid trucks blind – the UN denies this – then sold the food, fuel and medical supplies back to civilians, thus cementing their control over the population and financing their terror infrastructure.
    By contrast, the new arrangement requires people to travel to four purpose-built distribution centres in the south of the Strip where – it was promised – they would be screened to make sure they are deserving civilians and not terrorists.
    The idea, in principle, is that while the IDF provides a wider blanket of security, Gazans themselves do not interact with Israeli soldiers, but deal directly with the foundation staff and associated security contractors.

    Some reports suggest these contractors are paid more than $US1000 a day.
    ‘Places of killing’
    The UN and legacy NGOs, which used to deliver aid into communities through more than a hundred drop-off points, say this offends basic humanitarian principles, trapping people between starvation and a long and dangerous journey.
    Omar Baraka, 40, from Khan Younis, said: “We go to dangerous red zones, the army asks us to walk for several kilometres.
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    Israeli tanks take up position near the GHF aid hub in Khan Younis, southern Gaza.Credit: AP

    “There is no order in the place, it’s very chaotic.
    “Tens of thousands of citizens go there. The organisation delivered aid in the first two days, then the centres became places of killing.”

    Salem Al-Ahmad, an 18-year-old high school student, has ventured to the GHF site on several occasions to try to pick up flour for his family.
    “The situation required getting food and saving yourself from death,” he said. “Anyone who gets aid has to run back quickly, about three kilometres, because the army starts shooting to empty the area of civilians.

    “I found a lot of food lying on the ground because it is difficult to carry and run with it. I only had 1 kilogram bags of flour so I could run from the gunfire.”
    Israeli government officials and their supporters in the press argue that, despite the chaotic scenes, the early days of the new scheme represent a triumph.

    This is because it shows Gaza’s civilian population has passed through the “fear barrier” – in other words, it shows they are now prepared to defy the terror group’s commands not to engage with the GHF.
    There is certainly evidence that Hamas has tried to put obstacles – some physical, others in the form of propaganda – between the Gazan civilians and the new aid system.

    It is far less certain to what extent the group has been behind the scenes of chaos at the new distribution centres themselves.
    Critics say that the scenes of disorder are simply a function of a desperate, starving population and inexperienced aid distributors.

    Aside from gunfire, flashbangs and smoke grenades have been thrown. Meanwhile, multiple people say that no serious attempt at screening is made.
    On Monday night, UN human rights chief Volker Turk told the BBC the way humanitarian aid is now being delivered is “unacceptable” and “dehumanising”.

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    Palestinians at a humanitarian aid centre in the Netzarim Corridor, central Gaza Strip last Thursday.Credit: Bloomberg

    “I think what it shows is utter disregard for civilians. Can you imagine people that have been absolutely desperate for food, for medicine, for almost three months and then they have to run for it or try to get it in the most desperate circumstances?” Mr Turk told the BBC World Service’s Newshour program.

    Aside from the practical difficulties the new system imposes, it has been accused of serving Benjamin Netanyahu’s agenda by forcing the population into the largely levelled south of the Strip, leaving the IDF clear to execute Operation Gideon’s Chariot, which, sources have said, will see a similarly widespread demolition of property.

    Some have even questioned whether the GHF model is a crucial component of an attempt to realise Donald Trump’s “riviera” vision for Gaza, which would see the population displaced ahead of a comprehensive redevelopment.

    While the president himself now appears lukewarm about the scheme, there are some in Israel’s government – notably Defence Minister Israel Katz – who allude to it often.
    Aside from its performance on the ground, the origins and make-up of the GHF and its partner organisation, Safe Reach Solutions (SRS), continue to provoke comment.

    The latter is headed by Philip Reilly, a CIA veteran, who is said to have played a role in training the Contra rebels in Nicaragua in the 1980s, and was then the first agency officer into Afghanistan after the September 11 attacks, where he went on to be station chief.
    SRS previously had the contract to police traffic and people along a main north-south road in Gaza during the January-March ceasefire.

    A recent investigation by The New York Times suggests that an informal network of powerful individuals in both the IDF and the prime minister’s office, known as the Mikveh Yisrael Foru, had been aiming towards a parallel aid system that cut out the NGOs since December 2023.

    It claimed that the group had identified Reilly as its candidate to lead such a mission as early as January last year, and that the January contract was a key step in convincing Netanyahu to hire him for the aid distribution job.

    The GHF is a separately registered company, although it was registered by the same lawyer and previously had the same spokesman.
    A $US100 million donation to the GHF got tongues wagging in Israel that this was really the work of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency – indeed, the former defence minister, Avigdor Lieberman, said as much.

    The GHF denies this, saying the donation was from a Western European country, but declined to name which one.

    ‘Tired from malnutrition’
    Jake Wood, a former US Marine, quit as chief executive of the foundation the day before aid distribution operations began, claiming it violated “humanitarian principles”.

    He had previously said: “I would participate in no plan in any capacity if it was an extension of an IDF plan or an Israeli government plan to forcibly dislocate people anywhere within Gaza.”
    Back in Rafah, Ahmed Musa, a 34-year-old from Khan Younis, spoke of despair at Sunday’s events.

    “I left at dawn to go to the American aid centre in the Mawasi area of Rafah,” he said. “I went there under duress, as I have four hungry children who are tired from malnutrition.
    “The scene was terrifying,” he added.
    “I sat and cried bitterly over my helplessness that I did not receive anything. But I will try again.”

    The Telegraph, London
     
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  8. vztrdr

    vztrdr

    That's the first step, but then you have to bring in the dozers and clean up the mess.
     
    #5288     Jun 4, 2025
  9. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    I write these things, I know themickey will give it a nod and know at best, GWB would do no more than quote with a link to something. Desperately afraid of making an argument for fear losing a favourite chewing bone. The addiction must be fed.

    It's truly extraordinary really how Zionism benefits from overtly cultivating the Dunning Kruger effect.


    By saturating the public sphere with moral absolutes, simplified historical narratives, and emotionally charged talking points, Zionist advocacy rewards confidence over comprehension. The result? A battalion of amateur pundits who know just enough to repeat propoganda, disguised as "Hasbara" but not enough to examine it.

    When complex histories are reduced to slogans like “the only democracy in the Middle East” or “they use human shields”, genuine critical engagement is not only discouraged, it’s treated as subversion.

    The Paradox of the Perfect Enemy?

    Hamas is not a likable or noble organization, its authoritarianism, internal repression, splintered into internally warring factions, and attacks on civilians are all well documented. But in many ways, it is essential to the hundred year old Zionist strategy of ethnic cleansing. As some American analysts have said of Israel’s relationship to Hamas: “If it didn’t exist, they’d have to invent it.” The alternative is a two-state Israel and they absolutely don't want that, they want a zero sum approach, all or nothing.

    Zionism entertained ethnic cleansing before, the Nazis and the Zionists worked together with overlapping vision to get European Jews to Israel for years.
    The Zionist-Nazi collaboration (1933-1939) didn't go well. Ask Russia about their partnership, oh but they don't know that bit, just like Zionism wants their history surpressed.

    Hamas’ existence as a militant Islamist group allows Israel to:
    • Justify military crackdowns as anti-terror operations.

    • Avoid political negotiations by claiming there is “no partner for peace.”

    • Frame Palestinian suffering as a result of Hamas’ misrule, rather than occupation or blockade.

    • Undermine international sympathy for Palestinian civilians by conflating them with Hamas fighters.
    This is the dark utility of Hamas in the Israeli ultra nationalist narrative, a foil so rhetorically useful that any serious political resolution would risk undermining the very logic of endless siege and expansion.
     
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  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Masked Hamas gunmen are murdering Palestinians attempting to get GHF food aid. Hamas repeatedly stated they would kill anyone attempting to get food aid. Now there is extensive video evidence that they are doing so. Israel has released drone footage showing masked gunman firing on civilians at humanitarian aid distribution sites.

    "Drone footage released by the Israel Defense Forces shows armed and masked people in Gaza shooting civilians, Israel said Sunday, amid claims, which have been staunchly denied, that the IDF killed dozens of people collecting humanitarian aid".

    One by one, we are seeing major media outlets retract reporting -- based on false claims by the Hamas Health Ministry -- that the IDF killed anyone near GHF food aid centers. The latest is the Washington Post dropping these claims and apologizing for its "faulty reporting".
     
    #5290     Jun 4, 2025