Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

Discussion in 'Politics' started by themickey, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    Live updatesLive updates,
    LIVE: Israel targets ‘heads, chests’ of Gaza aid seekers in mass shooting

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    Al Jazeera Live

    By Ali HarbandNils Adler
    Published On 3 Jun 20253 Jun 2025

    Gaza’s Government Media Office has accused Israel of “a horrific, intentionally repeated crime”, saying it has lured starving Palestinians to aid centres run by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation and killed 102 of them in the past eight days.
    • At least 27 Palestinians have been killed in the latest such attack in southern Gaza’s Rafah governorate, according to the enclave’s Health Ministry.
    • The Israeli military says three of its soldiers have been killed in northern Gaza’s Jabalia area, in what appeared to be the deadliest attack on them since they ended a ceasefire with Hamas in March.
    • Israel’s war on Gaza has killed at least 54,510 Palestinians and wounded 124,901, according to the Health Ministry.
    • An estimated 1,139 people were killed in Israel during the Hamas-led attacks of October 7, 2023, and more than 200 were taken captive.
     
    #5261     Jun 3, 2025
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    From Al Jazeera of course -- a media outlet which has been proven by BBC to put out false claims about the IDF shooting near a food aid station.

    Seeing that all of Al Jazeera's "reporters" in Gaza are Hamas members -- this is not surprising.
     
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    #5262     Jun 3, 2025
  3. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Ah yes, nothing like “The Daily Caller says the BBC says…” as said before, when you are picking up a sewer rat and saying pet the puppy, mind is broken.

    This morning, the BBC reported that, for the second time in three days, Israel has turned food collection points into kill zones.

    Classic BBC pattern: initial headlines lean toward uncomfortable truths. Then, a few hours later, “editorial balance” is imposed, and the framing softens in Zionist favour. It’s the blade edge they walk between objective reporting and the preferences of the board and government departments.

    As for GWB, he’s a genuine case of severe forum addiction. Junkie number one by a mile, if you check the stats. His reward system is wired backwards, he’s no longer thinking clearly.

    Takes one to know one.
     
    #5263     Jun 3, 2025
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You can read directly at BBC website their investigation showing claims about the video being filmed anywhere near an aid distribution site are false.

    "We have geolocated the clip to a spot in Khan Younis about 4.5km (2.8 miles) from the nearest aid distribution point. The direction of shadows suggests it was filmed in the evening, not the morning, which doesn't match accounts of the Rafah shootings."
     
    #5264     Jun 3, 2025
  5. Tuxan

    Tuxan

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    #5265     Jun 3, 2025
  6. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    The Israeli PR playbook often leans on rope-a-dope tactics, provoke a response, then frame the backlash as disproportionate to win the sympathy narrative.

    Al Jazeera and others despite moments of strong reporting, or because of, are reliably unreliable for this purpose.
     
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    #5266     Jun 3, 2025
  7. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    What we have is that both the Red Cross and MSF have verified a mass casualty event.
    This is discussed in depth here, article prior to the "verify" report.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c991j01lym3o
    • 1 June 2025
      Updated 2 June 2025
    This BBC article has reporting that can't be dismissed by a video released by Al Jazeera being geolocated as elsewhere to claimed I would suggest. So a mass shooting seeme to have happened, unless we doubt but Red Cross and MSF, and the IDF say they didn't do it but they have no credibility. Hamas shooting everyone? OK, well there is something to sleuth out. It's worth nothi that most of the victims were men...MSF thought that was peculiar. There is an obvious but unfounded right now conclusion to draw if men were profiled.

    The BBC Verify reporting has been met with significant criticism from various independent and humanitarian organizations, including the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) and Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF). These organizations have independently verified a mass casualty incident on June 1, 2025, in Rafah, Gaza, contradicting the BBC's initial findings.

    Key Points of Independent Verification:

    International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC): The ICRC's field hospital in Rafah received 184 casualties, including women and children. Of these, 21 were declared dead upon arrival, and eight others died later from their injuries. The majority suffered gunshot or shrapnel wounds. All patients stated they had been trying to reach an aid distribution site when they were injured. This incident marked the highest number of weapon-related casualties the hospital had treated in a single event since its establishment over a year ago.
    https://www.icrc.org/en/statement/i...ospital-unprecedented-influx-war-wounded-gaza

    Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF): MSF teams at Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis treated patients with serious injuries, many of whom had visible bullet wounds and blood-soaked clothing. Medical staff reported that the hospital corridors were filled with patients, predominantly men, which was atypical compared to previous incidents where most patients were women and children. MSF described the event as a "massacre" and criticized the new aid distribution system for being dangerous and ineffective.
    https://www.msf.org.za/news-and-res...cked-food-distribution?utm_source=chatgpt.com

    Contradictions with BBC Verify Report:

    The BBC Verify report initially downplayed the severity of the incident, suggesting that the available evidence did not conclusively support claims of large-scale shootings by Israeli forces. However, the independent verifications by the ICRC and MSF provide compelling evidence of a mass casualty event involving gunfire directed at civilians attempting to access humanitarian aid.


    Why the Discrepancy Between BBC Verify and ICRC/MSF?

    BBC Verify (also Al Jazeera) may have relied on open-source intelligence (OSINT) like satellite imagery or social media videos, which can be misleading.

    ICRC/MSF have direct medical evidence (wound patterns, survivor testimonies), making their reports more definitive.
     
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  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's see how Hamas treats Palestinians who simply want food.

    Hamas fighters smash kneecaps of Gazan ‘food thief’, then post video
    Footage shows blindfolded man screaming in agony as he is repeatedly struck with metal bar
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/03/hamas-fighters-gazans-food-gaza/

    Hamas has been accused of torturing a man alleged to have stolen food in Gaza.

    Graphic footage circulating on social media accounts linked to the terror group shows several figures standing over a blindfolded man as they use a metal bar to break his knees.


    The video comes as the terror group attempts to retain control of Gaza. Statements on Hamas-linked channels report multiple “executions” of Gazans for taking food in recent days.

    The Strip was under a total blockade from the beginning of March until late May. Reports indicate that some of the the civilian population are approaching starvation.

    Aid is being distributed from four purpose-built sites in and around the southern area of Rafah via a controversial US private contractor. But the project has got off to a shaky start with reports of chaotic scenes and multiple killings, allegedly by the IDF, which Israel says it is investigating.

    There are increasing reports of both criminal gangs and ordinary Gazans looting aid lorries and warehouses.

    Israel said that bypassing the previous aid model – whereby food and supplies would be delivered directly into communities, but was vulnerable to theft by Hamas – is crucial to breaking the terror group’s hold over the population.

    In Tuesday’s video, the blindfolded man screams and writhes in agony as his joints are struck multiple times.

    Other footage that surfaced in recent days appears to show summary killings of civilians.
    The evidence is not published via official Hamas accounts and is difficult to verify. But the footage is often accompanied by warnings purporting to be from the terror group.

    One prominent account stated on Tuesday that “security forces pursued thieves, executed four of them, suppressed 16 others, and shot eight” in central Gaza over the past 48 hours.

    Others suggested six people had been killed across the Strip.

    A message said: “To every thief, every agent, every exploiter, and highway robber... This is our final message before your files are sealed with bullets.”

    Similar statements speak of “field sentences” for defiant civilians, many of whom are named on the Telegram social media channel.

    Last week, it emerged that Hamas militants kidnapped, tortured and killed 22-year-old Oldai Naser Saadi, one of the leaders of the anti-Hamas protest movement in Gaza.

    He was reportedly tortured for four hours. His body was then dumped at his family’s home.

    Despite the chaos, the Israeli government has lauded the new aid distribution system, delivered by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, as crucial for breaking the “fear barrier” among the population of Hamas.

    It is alleged that the terror group physically tried to prevent people from walking to collect aid as well as releasing propaganda against the GHF.

    The Telegraph has spoken to ordinary Gazans who say they are turning to theft of food from aid trucks because they are so hungry.

    During the height of the ceasefire in Jan and Feb, approximately 600 vehicles were entering the Strip each day.

    But figures suggest that over a 12-day period in late May the total number was just over 1,000.
     
    #5268     Jun 3, 2025
  9. themickey

    themickey

    Hey @gwb-trading !
    You have disdain for the resident et Russian Troll who repeats Russian government propaganda talking points on the Russia & Ukraine thread.

    America (currently led by Trump who you hate) and Uk both supply weapons and technology to Israel's army to kill Palestinians and to steal land.

    But @gwb-trading troll (who doesn't trade but spends his whole life on et as the most prolific poster) believes American and UK propaganda and Israeli propaganda, that is the nations causing destruction and avoiding peace while pretending they want peace.

    So @gwb-trading supports the killers by continuing the propaganda, while the Palestinians who are the victims and suffering, you block your ears and claim they talk bs.

    @gwb-trading you are a true troll and hypocrite but in true religious fashion you can't see you are the pot calling the kettle black.

    You are no better than our et Russian troll.
     
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  10. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    I'm at the airport, block wrote this and had AI apply formatting, phone not great but I think it can be read.

    This is my current sense of what happened. Not concrete.

    Did the New Aid System Lead to a Deadly Trap?


    1. The New Aid Distribution System – Designed to Bypass Hamas Goal:
    The revised system ( backed by Israel and the U.S.) aims to deliver aid directly to civilians at designated distribution points, thereby circumventing Hamas.
    • Method: Long, controlled corridors allow Gazans to collect supplies without Hamas intercepting and seizing large portions.
    • Potential Flaw: These corridors may expose civilians to surveillance and attack, especially if either Hamas or the IDF views the gatherings as suspicious or threatening.
    2. Hamas’ Likely Response – Coercion and Taxation
    • Past Behavior: Hamas has a history of confiscating aid or taxing it, using it as a tool of leverage or reselling it for profit.
    • In This Scenario:
      • If Hamas could no longer directly intercept trucks, they may have dispatched enforcers to “tax” civilians returning from the distribution sites.
      • This could explain the disproportionately high number of male casualties, as men are more likely to be targeted for coercion or conscription.
      • That said, massacring their own civilians en masse would be strategically self-defeating—Hamas generally avoids overt brutality against its own population in public view.
    3. IDF’s Possible Logic – "All Military-Aged Males Are Targets"
    • Doctrine: In prior operations, the IDF has treated groups of military-aged males in or near conflict zones as presumptive combatants.
    • Applied Here:
      • Anticipating possible Hamas interference, the IDF may have monitored aid corridors for suspicious movements.
      • Observing groups of men congregating, they may have assumed these were Hamas operatives and authorized engagement.
      • This interpretation is supported by:
        • Predominantly male casualties.
        • Gunfire wounds (suggesting targeted shooting).
        • Denials of responsibility, with possible internal classification as a "preemptive strike" rather than an accidental or indiscriminate act.
    4. Most Plausible Scenario?
    • The newly implemented aid system created a deadly trap:
      1. Hamas dispatched men to retrieve or tax aid from returning civilians.
      2. IDF anticipated this "militant assembly"
      3. Israeli forces opened fire, killing both alleged Hamas affiliates and civilians.

    • Why Israel Would Deny: Acknowledging this would mean admitting to targeting an aid corridor, a major international and PR liability.

    • Why Hamas Would Stay Silent: Publicly acknowledging coercion or taxation would undermine their image and reveal complicity in civilian casualties.
    5. What Evidence Would Clarify the Truth?
    • IDF operational logs or drone/sniper footage: Were there standing orders to fire on certain profiles?
    • Ballistic forensics: Do injuries match standard-issue IDF weaponry?
    • Eyewitness accounts: Were there visible Hamas enforcers at the site before or during the shooting?
    Conclusion: A Predictable Massacre
    This incident appears to result from a convergence of systemic failures and ruthless tactics:

    • Hamas’ coercive grip on aid and civilian movement,
    • The IDF’s aggressive targeting criteria,
    • And a poorly conceived, or cunningly designed, aid delivery mechanism that funneled desperate civilians into a strategically and physically vulnerable corridor.
     
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    #5270     Jun 3, 2025
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