Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

Discussion in 'Politics' started by themickey, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    The only sustainable long-term strategy for a pluralist society faced with a growing Islamic presence is to co-opt Islam, to shape it into a compatible civic religion, rather than allow it to grow as a rival authority.

    It can and had been done. It has been messed up through decades of incoherent strategy too.
     
    #5071     Apr 20, 2025
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    As I stated earlier the only endgame in Gaza is the complete elimination of Hamas as a governing and militant entity. This is step one before any other steps can be taken. Hamas has four choices -- they can voluntarily give up their power & weapons in Gaza in some type of peace agreement, have Israel sent a re-armed Fatah force into Gaza who will promptly murder every member of Hamas, have the oppressed residents of Gaza rise in civil war & take out Hamas, or have an pan-Arab peace force come in & disarm Hamas while taking over.

    Let's see what Netanyahu stated.

    “If we do not complete the destruction of Hamas’s military and governing capabilities, the next Oct 7 and the next abductions are only a question of time. Hamas says that they will do it. They intend to do it and they are working on it,” Mr Netanyahu said.
     
    #5072     Apr 20, 2025
  3. themickey

    themickey


    Israeli strikes in Gaza have killed more than 90 people in 48 hours, Gaza's Health Ministry said Saturday, as Israeli troops ramp up attacks to pressure Hamas to release its hostages and disarm.
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    Yah, 51,000 'Hamas' dead now.
    Strange how Hamas have so many soldiers.
    Strange how Israel's war plans just don't bear fruit for them.

    This is Israel's war plan "When something doesn't work, just keep repeating it, Uncle Sam is blessing us and paying for the killings".
     
    #5073     Apr 20, 2025
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  4. themickey

    themickey

    It is bearing fruit, Genocide!
     
    #5074     Apr 20, 2025
  5. themickey

    themickey

    Who would have thought a few years ago, Judean and Christian God fearing democratic America and Israel would turn out to be the perpetrators of state sanctioned ongoing Genocide.

    Oh how the mighty have fallen.

    Oh how the sham of their religions has been exposed.
     
    #5075     Apr 20, 2025
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  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    My thoughts about the Israel / Gaza situation have been very consistent from day 1. Let's review them for clarity:
    1. Until Hamas is eliminated as a governing and militant entity in Gaza there will be no moving forward in resolving the issues and the conflict will not end. This is Step 1 before there can be a Step 2.
    2. At this point, Hamas has four choices -- they can voluntarily give up their power & weapons in Gaza in some type of peace agreement, have Israel send a re-armed Fatah force into Gaza who will promptly murder every member of Hamas, have the oppressed residents of Gaza rise in civil war & take out Hamas, or have an pan-Arab peace force come in & disarm Hamas while taking over. Note that the IDF taking out Hamas is not on this list; the IDF can strongly pressure Hamas in Gaza but will not fully eliminate them.
    3. The majority of the Palestinians killed in Gaza are Hamas militants -- not women and children. Hamas recently admitted that 72% of those killed in Gaza are military aged males. Most of the civilian casualties in Gaza are due to Hamas using people as human shields.
    4. The Netanyahu regime in Israel does not support a two state solution and does not want peace. A more moderate government must be elected in Israel before progress can be made.
    5. Similarly, Hamas does not support peace and does not plan to disarm. They have regularly outlined their plans to continue the conflict by further attacking Israel -- even if it causes deaths of Palestinians in Gaza. According to Hamas - it's "just a cost they got to pay".
    6. Israel has cut off food, water and electricity to Gaza in an attempt to force Hamas to surrender. Seeing that Hamas steals most of the food aid and re-sells it to raise money -- the plan is somewhat understandable from the IDF perspective. However from a humanity perspective this plan is unconscionable. Israel needs to make plans that allows the distribution of food and water to the civilians in Gaza.
    7. The Trump plan to displace all the Palestinians from Gaza to other countries is nothing more than ethnic cleansing and unacceptable. Sadly the current Israeli government seems to be behind this plan.
    8. In my opinion, the future for Gaza (after Hamas is eliminated) must include large-scale reconstruction and having a civilian government put in place. Hopefully the long-term path involves a two-state solution and peace. Any long term solution will require Israel to return land in the West Bank that was taken by settlers.
    Unfortunately, at the moment it does not look very hopeful for a future involving peace and a two-state solution. I hold both parties, Hamas and Israel, responsible for this quandary. The entire situation is sad and at this point I have lost most of my hope for moving on to a long term peaceful solution.
     
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    #5076     Apr 21, 2025
  7. themickey

    themickey

    Keep pedaling the same nonsense as the Israeli propaganda.
    Israel are the terrorists here, they are the shit stirrers, they create their enemies.

    Of course muslims are not innocent either, they have their own religious nonsense, but imo Israel is most guilty, they are supported by the West, they preach peace but practise hate.
    They lead a bad example.
    America too as the (once) greatest nation on earth lead a bad example of greed, hate, hypocrisy, stoking wars with weapons sales.
    A Christian nation where most citizens have guns at home because they live in fear of an enemy.
    Makes you laugh, Christians led by 'god', led by fear.

    This is where your stupid problems come from.
     
    #5077     Apr 21, 2025
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  8. themickey

    themickey

    Why is billionaire George Soros a bogeyman for the hard right?
    7 September 2019
    https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-49584157

    He's a Jewish multi-billionaire philanthropist who has given away $32bn. Why does the hard right from America to Australia and from Hungary to Honduras believe George Soros is at the heart of a global conspiracy, asks the BBC's Mike Rudin.......

    ......The first conspiracy theories about George Soros appeared in the early 1990s, but they really gained traction after he condemned the 2003 Iraq War and started donating millions of dollars to the US Democratic Party. Ever since, American right-wing commentators and politicians have gone after him with increasing fury and vitriol, and often with scant concern for the facts.
    But it was Donald Trump's election victory that took the attacks on Soros to a new and dangerous level.

    As Michael Ignatieff, the president and rector of the Central European University that Soros founded, puts it: "The Orban government has decided to make Mr Soros public enemy number one".
    So how did this happen?
    The answer lies in upstate New York.

    In 2013, when the Hungarian leader needed advice on getting re-elected, he approached a legendary political consultant, called Arthur Finkelstein (no relation of Joel), who used to work in a small office above a hairdresser's in Irvington, just 20 miles down the road from Soros's country mansion.

    Arthur Finkelstein, who died in 2017, worked for Donald Trump, George Bush senior, Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon and is renowned for making "liberal" a dirty word in politics.

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    Arthur Finkelstein
    Finkelstein created a new style of politics dubbed "Finkel Think", says Hannes Grassegger, a reporter for the Swiss publication, Das Magazin.

    "Arthur Finkelstein always said, 'You don't go against the Taliban, you go against Osama Bin Laden.' So it's about personalisation, picking the perfect enemy and then [you] go full on against that person, so that people are actually scared of your opponent. And never talk about your own candidate's policies, they don't matter at all."

    Finkelstein realised the best way to get Orban elected was to find a new enemy. He suggested Soros, and it was a perfect choice, Grassegger says. "The very right hated him because he was Jewish, people at the very left hated him because he was a capitalist."

    The irony is, Arthur Finkelstein was himself a Jew. "This Jewish gentleman creates this Jewish monster," Grassegger says.

    The Hungarian Government denies they needed anyone to "invent" Soros. In a statement it said: "George Soros invented himself as a political actor as long as two decades ago. George Soros's network of institutions exercises a great deal of power without a mandate coming from the people."

    But Orban seems to have implemented Finkelstein's advice to the letter and gone even further.

    In a speech weeks before the 2018 general election, Orban rounded on Soros and appeared to revive anti-Semitic stereotypes.

    "We are fighting an enemy that is different from us. Not open but hiding. Not straightforward but crafty. Not honest but unprincipled. Not national but international. Does not believe in working but speculates with money. Does not have its own homeland but feels it owns the whole world," he said.

    Viktor Orban won by a landslide. After the election, the crackdown on Soros-funded organisations intensified. Last May the Open Society closed its office in Hungary.

    Michael Ignatieff has battled to keep the Central European University open in Budapest. He is determined to counter what he claims is dangerous propaganda in a country in which more than half a million Jewish Hungarians were exterminated by the Nazis in just two months in 1944.

    Ignatieff says the anti-Soros campaign "is a faithful reprise of every single trope of anti-Semitic hatred from the 1930s... The whole thing is a complete fantasy. This is the politics of the 21st Century, if you haven't got an enemy invent one as fast as you can, make him look as powerful as possible and bingo - you mobilise your base and win elections with it."

    Prof Deborah Lipstadt, who won a famous legal battle to expose a Holocaust denier in the British courts, is deeply uneasy too.

    "It terrifies me that this kind of rhetoric, which used to be heard in beer halls and dark corners, is being spoken by politicians, by leaders of countries, the deputy prime minister of Italy, the prime minister of Hungary. That this kind of language is being used is shocking."


     
    #5078     Apr 21, 2025
  9. Ricter

    Ricter

    Rubio announces State Department layoffs and terminations, closure of offices focused on... war crimes.

    Shocker.
     
    #5079     Apr 22, 2025
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Not surprising at all from this Trump administration.
     
    #5080     Apr 22, 2025