Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

Discussion in 'Politics' started by themickey, Oct 7, 2023.

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    #4961     Mar 20, 2025
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Why don't you provide a link to the study rather than a picture of doctored up headline from a unknown social media source.
     
    #4962     Mar 20, 2025
  3. themickey

    themickey

    Article too long to bother posting it all


    Israeli outposts have proliferated in the West Bank since Oct. 7, analysis shows. Palestinians fear annexation could be next.

    By Allegra Goodwin, Nada Bashir and Gianluca Mezzofiore, CNN
    Thu March 20, 2025

    Bardala, West Bank CNN — https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/20/middleeast/israel-west-bank-herding-outposts-intl-invs/index.html

    Jihad Suleiman Al-Sawafta, 46, has lived on his farm in the occupied West Bank village of Bardala his entire life. But when Israeli settlers showed up in December, Al-Sawafta said his land, and his livelihood, shrank to a fraction of its former self.

    “The settlers brought another settler here and placed him in our area. The Israelis built a road that separates us from grazing and agricultural areas, and the settlers don’t allow us to farm on them,” he told CNN.

    “They crowded the area. They took thousands of dunams (1,000 square meters) from Bardala and its grazing lands,” he said, referring to his Palestinian town in the northern part of the West Bank. He added that the Jordan Valley, a fertile strip of land long considered the West Bank’s breadbasket, had been “largely emptied”of its Palestinian residents.

    Israeli forces were overseeing the paving of a new road during CNN’s visit in late January. Al-Sawafta said the military maintains a 24-hour presence, providing security for settlers, making it dangerous for him to cross and tend the crops he planted in nearby fields.

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    A new road developed by the Israeli military around the Palestinian village of Bardala.
    Nada Bashir/CNN
     
    #4963     Mar 20, 2025
  4. themickey

    themickey

    Sheeple, and there are plenty around including on et, think the fighting is all about Hamas....

    Netanyahu restarts forever war amid Israeli anger, burnout


    Israel’s PM is accused of resuming airstrikes and a ground offensive in Gaza for political reasons, and endangering the lives of hostages.

    Maayan Lubell Mar 21, 2025
    https://www.afr.com/world/middle-ea...ar-amid-israeli-anger-burnout-20250321-p5lldj

    Jerusalem | Israel has warned that its latest onslaught in Gaza is “just the beginning” as its forces pound the enclave with deadly airstrikes and launch new ground operations.

    But a return to a full-scale ground war against the Palestinian militant group Hamas could prove more complicated amid waning public support, exhausted military reservists and political challenges, says current and former Israeli officials, as well as analysts.

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    Displaced Palestinians, carrying their belongings, travel from Beit Hanoun to Jabaliya in Gaza. AP

    Military service is mandatory in Israel, a small nation of fewer than 10 million people, but it relies heavily on reservists in times of crisis.

    Reservists flocked to their units when Hamas-led gunmen attacked Israel in October 2023, some without waiting to be called up.

    But after multiple months-long deployments, some are reluctant to return to Gaza, six reservists and a group that advocates on their behalf said.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s decision to resume bombardments this week has fuelled the anger of protesters who accuse the government of continuing the war for political reasons and endangering the lives of hostages in Gaza, where a ceasefire largely held for two months.

    Netanyahu described the accusations as “shameless” on Tuesday, saying the renewed campaign was aimed at getting the remaining 59 hostages back.

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    Thousands of Israelis march against Benjamin Netanyahu’s government this week in Jerusalem. Getty

    Tens of thousands have demonstrated against Netanyahu’s government in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem since then.

    “In a democratic state, the internal legitimacy (of a war) is very, very important,” said retired General Yaakov Amidror, who served as Netanyahu’s national security adviser in 2011-2013.

    The question, he said, is “how much the decision makers are willing to forgo legitimacy because they think the action is important” and “how much their ability to act will be compromised without legitimacy”.

    Israel and Hamas accuse each other of breaching the truce. Recent opinion polls suggest most people in Israel want to continue negotiations for a deal that would end the war, release all remaining hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners and see a complete withdrawal of Israeli forces.

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    An Israeli soldier stands on a tank near the northern Gaza Strip. Getty

    Defence officials familiar with Israeli decision-making said the resumption of fighting would be gradual, leaving a door open for negotiations to extend the truce. They did not elaborate.

    Other Israeli officials said Netanyahu had approved a plan for a wide-scale operation that includes the option to send in more ground troops.

    Netanyahu’s office declined to comment, and the Israel Defence Forces said plans were in place for different scenarios, including ground operations.

    “The aim of this campaign against Hamas is to dismantle their capabilities, to prevent them from carrying out terror attacks and to create pressure for hostages being returned – whether it’s through military operations, or through some sort of political deal,” IDF spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Nadav Shoshani said.

    “All options are on the table.”

    “The prime minister has appeared increasingly out of touch with public sentiment.”

    The Gaza war is Israel’s longest since its 1948 war of independence. More than 400 soldiers have been killed and thousands wounded in Gaza combat.

    The Israeli campaign has reduced swathes of Gaza to rubble, repeatedly displacing hundreds of thousands of people who survive on whatever aid can reach them. More than 49,000 people have been killed in the enclave, according to Palestinian health authorities.

    Israeli officials say Hamas’ military wing has been hit hard, with its leaders and thousands of fighters killed.

    Consensus fractured
    But the group remains deeply entrenched in Gaza and still holds 59 of the 251 hostages who were seized in the October attacks. The attack claimed the lives of about 1200 people in southern Israel, according to Israeli tallies.

    At least 40 of the hostages have died in Gaza, either slain by their captors or killed inadvertently by Israeli forces. Israeli authorities believe that around 24 others are alive.

    In the three months before the January ceasefire, guerrilla attacks exacted some of the highest Israeli casualty tolls of the war, which, along with the deaths of hostages, have raised questions in Israel about the offensive’s costs and gains.

    Netanyahu’s far-right coalition partners opposed the ceasefire and have pressed for a full-scale return to war.

    The resumption of Israeli strikes this week earned him a political boost when former national security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir rejoined the coalition. Netanyahu was left with only a thin parliamentary majority following his departure in January over disagreements about the ceasefire.

    But the prime minister has appeared increasingly out of touch with public sentiment, fracturing the broad consensus that has underpinned Israel’s war, said Amotz Asa-El, a political analyst with the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem.

    A coalition of hostage families and protesters opposed to Netanyahu’s moves against the judiciary and parts of the Israeli security establishment is now coming together again.

    Some Western nations, including France and Germany, condemned the violence, along with Qatar and Egypt, which had been acting as ceasefire mediators.

    Netanyahu said he ordered strikes because Hamas had rejected proposals backed by the US to extend the ceasefire in exchange for releasing the remaining hostages. Israel would now act against the group “with increasing military strength”, his office said.

    Any major ground offensive is expected to involve reserve forces, although it may not require as many as at the start of the war, when 300,000 were called up.

    “Rooting out the Hamas fighters still left would require more manpower, more boots on the ground,” said Amidror. “The key is how many will show up.”
     
    #4964     Mar 20, 2025
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Just as a follow-up. ABC has retracted this story about leaflets being dropped by Israel on Gaza. It appears the entire leaflet was nothing more than Hamas Pallywood propaganda.

    This does not change the sad reality that a two state solution appears to not be in the vision for the future. Completely tragic.

    ABC News Retracts Claim That Israeli ‘Occupation Forces’ Dropped ‘Harrowing’ Leaflet in Gaza
    The only Israel-based reporter on the byline has long pushed anti-Netanyahu bias
    https://freebeacon.com/media/abc-ne...ion-forces-dropped-harrowing-leaflet-in-gaza/
     
    #4965     Mar 21, 2025
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I have stated from the very beginning that Step 1 of any solution is the elimination of Hamas as a governing and militant entity in Gaza. Until this is completed then no possible Step 2 can occur.

    My hope was that Step 2 would be the reconstruction of Gaza and a peace plan including a two-state solution. Sadly this is in the rear view mirror.

    I appears that Step 2 now involves the displacement of all the Palestinians from Gaza. The Arab countries now appear to be supporting this plan -- including Egypt which will accept half a million Palestinians from Gaza who will be placed in a "city" in the north of the Sinai Peninsula.

    This, of course, still leaves the need to totally eliminate Hamas prior the displacement of the Palestinians in Gaza. Israel is now using the words "unconditional surrender" to describe what they will accept from Hamas. No more "deals". No more "ceasefires". Full surrender or death - that is it. It's either unconditional surrender or Hamas' complete destruction using unrestrained military power in Gaza.

    Hamas’ Unconditional Surrender Is the Only Acceptable Option for Israel
    These are not people with whom we can negotiate, so turn to the lessons of history for dealing with non-negotiable opponents.
    https://www.nysun.com/article/hamas-unconditional-surrender-is-the-only-acceptable-option-for-israel
     
    #4966     Mar 21, 2025
  7. themickey

    themickey

    Yah and then everyone lives happily ever after, no more tears, no more grief, no more wars and Netanyahu is found innocent of all crimes and Trump plays golf in Trumplandjew (formerly Gaza) and Palestinians run Casinos on Egyptian Nile riverboats where they rake in and grow fat from American & Jewish tourists.
     
    #4967     Mar 21, 2025
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    What a compelling vision of the future you have.

    (sigh)
     
    #4968     Mar 21, 2025
  9. themickey

    themickey

    The way I see it, Palestinians are totally snookered. They are cornered, no escape.
    From what I can gather atm they are not even allowed out of their country, all the borders are locked.
    I have no clue what the outcome will be, but I'm fairly confident America and Israel have destroyed their own reputations.
    Whether the other Arab countries accept America and Israel in the future will be interesting.
    I always believed good overcomes evil, but I'm not so sure this time.
    Christians supporting Israel's evil is interesting too.
     
    #4969     Mar 21, 2025
  10. #4970     Mar 21, 2025