Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

Discussion in 'Politics' started by themickey, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    If you are born into bullshit and enjoy the bullshit, one will evolve further into bullshit.
     
    #4731     Feb 2, 2025
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    A well-thought out vision which outlines the need to re-establish the Palestinian Authority in Gaza and the steps the Arab League must take to make it happen.

    Finally, a job for the Arab League: Help dislodge Hamas
    Arab states should rally behind ‘the least bad option’: Restoring the Palestinian Authority to power in Gaza
    https://forward.com/opinion/693559/arab-league-palestinian-authority-hamas-gaza/

    As the release of Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners were taking place this weekend, the Arab League met in Cairo and issued a statement reaffirming support for the Palestinian cause. The foreign ministers of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, and the Palestinian Authority stood united in rejecting President Donald Trump’s musings about Palestinians being relocated from Gaza to neighboring countries, and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi insisted that Palestinian statehood is essential for peace.

    All of that was quite predictable and, as usual with this umbrella group for a disunited and dysfunctional region, not particularly useful or impactful. But if the Cairo-based organization wants to actually help the Palestinians, now is the moment for a difficult-but-achievable task of freeing the Palestinians of Hamas. Words of support are meaningless without a strategy for what comes after the devastating war sparked by Hamas’ Oct. 7 invasion and massacre.

    The current ceasefire in Gaza, if fully implemented, will see Israel withdraw and end the war in exchange for the release of its hostages. Implicit in this arrangement is that Hamas, however degraded and wounded, remains in control there. That’s not something Israel can easily accept, that will lead to stability or that will enable progress and prosperity for the Palestinians.

    Indeed, Israel is buzzing with suspicion that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will try to scuttle the remaining stages of the deal somehow, because carrying it out risks the collapse of his coalition, as the far-right parties have threatened to bolt. (Such are Netanyahu’s priorities.) He has been invited to the White House on Tuesday — almost certainly to ensure that this will not occur, and possibly for the dangling of carrots, such as a peace deal with Saudi Arabia, should he play along.

    But continuing to twist Netanyahu’s arm is only one half of what needs to be done. The other is to find a way to move Hamas aside, even though Israel’s devastating use of military power has somehow failed to achieve this on its own.

    The war has left Gaza in ruins, its economy shattered and its people suffering under one of the worst humanitarian crises in modern history. But while Israel may be withdrawing militarily, that does not mean the Arab world must do anything to help Hamas consolidate power.

    Arab states should rally behind the only plausible alternative: restoring the Palestinian Authority (PA) to Gaza. This is not an endorsement of the PA’s governance — its corruption and ineffectiveness are well known — but recognition that it is the least bad option. The PA’s return is the only viable alternative to indefinite Hamas rule, but it will require a coordinated regional effort.

    That means Arab states must be engaged in a significant way. To govern effectively, the PA will need massive assistance. It must also undergo significant reforms — rooting out corruption, holding elections and demonstrating a commitment to rebuilding Gaza in a way that benefits its people, not just its leadership. Its hand will need to be held.

    The Arab world should make the choice unmistakably clear: If Hamas remains in power, Gaza will continue to suffer. But if Hamas steps down, the Arab world should commit to a massive aid and reconstruction effort, funneling tens of billions of dollars into rebuilding Gaza. Such a move by the Arab League would have several stages and aspects.

    ► It should declare that Hamas made a terrible mistake in barbarically attacking Israel on Oct. 7 and, in general, has ruled Gaza poorly and without a popular mandate. It should explain that no further collaboration is possible with Hamas in Gaza in its current form. It should support the Palestinian Authority being restored to power in Gaza and for Hamas to disarm, under the principle that a government must have a monopoly on armed forces.

    ► It should call for significant democratic and anti-corruption reforms in the Palestinian Authority, including a transition plan for 89-year-old Mahmoud Abbas, who was last elected two decades ago, making clear that elections for a new president should be held reasonably soon.

    ► It should make clear that it is willing to provide the Palestinians considerable practical assistance, including troops if needed, to maintain order and security in Gaza.

    ► It should pull together a massive aid package to rebuild Gaza, which would be in the tens of billions of dollars, within a short timeframe, not as fuzzy future commitments. The Palestinians must see that something real and profound awaits them.

    ► It should make clear that none of this assistance and funding will be funneled through Hamas, which no longer has any credibility (if it ever did). The entire package must be completely conditional on Hamas complying. This will be a particular challenge with Qatar, who is the only leading Arab country that is close to the Muslim Brotherhood, from which Hamas sprang. The U.S. has leverage with Qatar, and I assess they will go along.

    There are other elements. Egypt must ensure there is no smuggling across its border with Gaza — with the threat of reductions in the critical aid that it receives from the U.S.. And the U.S. should bring every conceivable form of pressure on European banks to ensure that no monies are transferred to the network of shell companies used for funneling funds to Hamas.

    Some will say that none of this will work — let them. Some will say that the Palestinians must determine their own fate. That’s nonsense, because they are currently held hostage by Hamas and there are few pockets of democracy in the Arab world. Rather, they need practical solutions, a rescue plan and a paradigm shift.

    Trump is, famously, a disruptor who likes to shake things up and bash heads. Many of his targets are misconceived, requiring neither shaking or bashing. But sometimes simple, blunt and even thuggish approaches can be useful. The Middle East is crying out for it, and Trump should press America’s Arab partners to move precisely in this direction.

    Could the Arab League possibly act decisively in a way that is neither pandering nor ineffectual? It does not seem likely, but it is not without precedent.

    Founded in 1945, the Arab League has mostly been useless. It failed to agree to the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, with its main states going to war with the nascent Israel instead. Its infamous “Three No’s” of 1967 at the Khartoum Summit declared opposition to peace, recognition, and negotiations with Israel. It suspended Egypt over its 1978 decision to make peace with Israel and failed utterly to seize on the moment of hope during the 2011 Arab Spring.

    Then again, there are some glimmers of hope. In 1990, when Iraq invaded Kuwait, the Arab League condemned the invasion and authorized a collective response. And the Arab Peace Initiative of 2002 was a rare moment of forward-thinking diplomacy, proposing full recognition of Israel by all Arab states in exchange for an independent Palestinian state along the 1967 borders. Israel dismissed it at the time, but elements of the plan continue to be referenced in negotiations.

    It’s a spotty record at best, but a good deal of redemption can be had for helping the Palestinians free themselves of Hamas.
     
    #4732     Feb 2, 2025
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    This opinion article is quite correct in its assertion -- Gaza can only have a peaceful future if Hamas is no longer entrenched as a political and militant entity.

    However many months of war has failed to take Hamas out; it is time to move on to plan B. Have the Palestinian Authority take over Gaza with assistance from the Arab League. Undoubtedly, the PA would eliminate Hamas -- there will be bloodshed -- but there won't be a single Hamas member left alive in Gaza once the PA is done. They have long memories back to 2005/2006.

    Gaza can only reclaim its future once Hamas is truly gone - opinion
    Hamas cannot be managed, reformed, or contained. It must be destroyed – completely, irreversibly, and without the possibility of resurrection.
    https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-840430
     
    #4733     Feb 3, 2025
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Long overdue to put UNRWA out of business.

    EU leaders call for UNRWA to disband after Israeli-British hostage says Hamas held her in UN facilities
    https://nypost.com/2025/02/03/world...tage-says-hamas-held-her-in-their-facilities/

    European lawmakers joined the call to shut down the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) after it was revealed that the Israeli-British hostage freed by Hamas had been held in the humanitarian group’s facilities.

    Nearly three dozen officials from 14 EU nations signed a letter accusing the embattled UNRWA of being compromised by Hamas terrorists after Emily Damari, 28, said she had been kept in UN facilities during her 15-months of captivity in Gaza.

    Damari did not say whether she ever saw UNRWA staffers in the buildings she was held at. She told UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer that the terrorists treated her for gunshot wounds at one of the facilities with an expired bottle of iodine.

    “UNRWA has contravened all its missions and has helped a terrorist organization to hide hostages, which is politically, morally and legally highly reprehensible,” the lawmakers wrote.

    The officials said the EU, which is the UNRWA’s third-largest donor, should instead tap the UN ‘s High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) agency to oversee the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

    The UNRWA has been repeatedly accused of allowing Hamas to infiltrate their network, with nine staffers fired last year after an investigation found that they might have helped members of the terrorist group conduct the Oct. 7 terrorist attack that killed more than 1,200 people in Israel.

    Israel has also accused the UNRWA of housing Hamas cells throughout Gaza after finding terrorists operating in abandoned UN facilities. However, there is no direct evidence that the agency actively worked with Hamas.

    Israel issued a ban on the UNRWA, which went into effect last week despite outcry from humanitarian groups that no agency at the moment can fill in to address the needs of the more than 1 million refugees in the Gaza Strip.

    Danny Danon, Israel’s ambassador to the UN, however, supported the ban and praised the EU officials for joining the Jewish state’s call to shut down the UNRWA.

    “I support the members of parliament for their demand from the UN Secretary-General and their support for what we have long proven — Hamas has taken over UNRWA,” Dannon wrote on X.

    “Supporting UNRWA is supporting Hamas,” he added. “The secretary-general’s and UNRWA Commissioner-General [Philippe] Lazzarini’s turning of a blind eye is not the solution.”

    Lazzarini, who has denounced the allegations that Hamas is deeply embedded in the UNRWA, said he was shocked after learning about Damari’s time in captivity and called for an “independent investigation” into the matter.

    “Claims that hostages have been held in UNRWA premises are deeply disturbing and shocking. We take any such allegations extremely seriously,” he wrote on X.
     
    #4734     Feb 3, 2025
  5. themickey

    themickey

    Yah, JPost (Israel), NYPost (Rupert Murdoch), great sources for news.
    Keep up the trolling! :)
     
    #4735     Feb 3, 2025
  6. themickey

    themickey

    A little walk down memory lane...

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    The crocodile tears.

    20240829_054854.jpg Laughing jackasses
     
    #4736     Feb 4, 2025
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Sadly the likelihood of a two-state peace solution is looking less probable. The Hamas war has driven a huge majority of Israelis to oppose a two-state solution and now support Israel directly taking over both the West Bank and Gaza.

    In multiple polls prior the war approximately 50% of Israelis opposed a Palestinian state. In May of 2024, 64% of Israelis opposed a Palestinian state. The percentage of those opposed keeps going up.

    71% of Israelis oppose Palestinian state in Judea and Samaria, support Israeli control of West Bank: poll
    https://nypost.com/2025/02/03/world...te-support-israeli-control-of-west-bank-poll/
     
    #4737     Feb 4, 2025
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #4738     Feb 4, 2025
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  9. themickey

    themickey

    Palestinians have little choice, live in a tent among rubble with drone laden bombs flying overhead, or live in a house away from danger.
    I know which I would choose.
     
    #4739     Feb 4, 2025
  10. themickey

    themickey

    The cards are stacked against Palestine, I think ultimately Israel will get what it wants.
    That's reality, that's life.
     
    #4740     Feb 4, 2025