Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

Discussion in 'Politics' started by themickey, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    More information on a proposed ceasefire. Don't hold your breath.

    Gaza Hostage Negotiators, Scrambling To Avoid ‘Hell’ Trump Threatens, Are Reportedly Near Deal for Israeli, Yank Hostages
    https://www.nysun.com/article/gaza-...eportedly-near-deal-for-israeli-yank-hostages

    With a week left in President Biden’s term, a draft of a deal between Israel and Hamas — prompted by President-elect Trump’s threats — for the release of some Gaza hostages and a temporary cease-fire is reportedly nearing completion.

    Reported terms of the deal that was reached at Doha, Qatar, seem to mirror President Reagan’s 1981 announcement, during his first hours in office, that American hostages held in Iran were on a plane back home. According to the Doha deal, military activity in Gaza would cease for a week on Tuesday, at the end of which 33 of the 98 remaining hostages would be released.

    If all goes according to that plan, the release of hostages, including American citizens, would coincide with the start of Trump’s presidency. Mediators have reportedly given Hamas a deadline of Monday at midnight to give an answer regarding the deal’s draft.

    While the Saudi-based Al Arabiya network reported that Hamas has green-lighted the terms, Israel’s Kan news cited unidentified Palestinian sources as saying that Hamas is yet to do so. The Hamas representatives at Doha have agreed to the deal, but the organization’s Gaza chief, Mohammed Sinwar, is yet to make his move, according to the report.

    The dynamics in negotiations reportedly changed dramatically after Trump’s envoy, Steve Witkoff, joined Mr. Biden’s negotiator, Brett McGurk, at Doha. It followed Trump’s threat of “hell” to pay if hostages would not be released by the time he is inaugurated next Tuesday.

    “It’s very clear that President Trump threatening Hamas and making it clear that there is going to be hell to pay is part of the reason why we’ve made progress on getting some hostages out,” the vice president-elect, J.D. Vance, told Fox News Sunday, during which he also for the first time partially spelled out what “hell” means.

    “Number one, it means enabling the Israelis to knock out the final couple of battalions of Hamas and their leadership,” Mr. Vance said. “It means very aggressive sanctions and financial penalties on those who are supporting terrorist organizations in the Middle East” — which could include Hamas-supporting Qatar.

    Family members of hostages, including some who are reportedly on the list to be released in the first stage, insist that any deal must include all of the hostages. Some fear that those who would not be released immediately will ultimately be left behind.

    “Let’s hope this is a start of a process to release 98 hostages, following 465 days of suffering, starvation, and torture,” a member of the Tel Aviv-based Hostage Families Forum lobby, Daniel Carmon, tells the Sun. “A deal must include all the hostages with no exceptions. All of them. Now.”

    According to the proposed three-stage deal, 33 hostages would be released in the first stage next week, including women, children, men over age 50, and a small number of injured “military age” men — which Hamas defines as under the age of 50. Those might include hostages with American citizenship. According to some reports, it is unclear how many of them are alive.

    Israel would release more than 1,000 convicted Palestinians held in prisons, reportedly including up to two dozen convicted killers. In the second and third stages, the rest of the hostages would be released, Palestinian residents of northern Gaza who were evacuated would return to their homes, and a final end to hostilities would ensue after 45 days.
     
    #4531     Jan 13, 2025
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    OK, Joe... whatever. We still don't believe any ceasefire will come to -- based on all the previous failures.

    Biden says hostage-release, ceasefire deal between Hamas and Israel 'on the brink'
    He made the comment in a speech touting his foreign policy legacy.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bid...re-deal-hamas-israel-brink/story?id=117630406
     
    #4532     Jan 13, 2025
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    #4533     Jan 14, 2025
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    They are getting more hopeful for a ceasefire deal.

    Gaza ceasefire and hostage deal in ‘final stages,’ Qatar says
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/01/14/israel-war-gaza-ceasefire-news-lebanon-syria-hamas/

    Israeli officials: Deal will see 33 hostages freed in 1st stage, most of them alive
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israe...stages-freed-in-1st-stage-most-of-them-alive/

    Hamas has accepted a draft agreement for a Gaza ceasefire and the release of hostages, officials say
    https://apnews.com/article/israel-p...s-01-14-2025-a1495c0f4f13102903ce31a862c49baa
     
    #4534     Jan 14, 2025
  5. Good1

    Good1

    The motive does seem to have been there. Had Hitler demanded and allowed emigration of Jews from Germany, a good percent would have tried to apply into the British mandate area of Palestine (where this Muslim was trying to be some kind of king). The British, too, were heavily pressured (probably by the same Muslim idiot) to disallow immigration into the area, and for a while, did cap it and send Jews to refugee camps offshore, if not straight back to Europe.
     
    #4535     Jan 14, 2025
  6. Good1

    Good1

    Trump might be hoping to go down in history like Reagan did in getting hostages out of Iran at his inauguration.

    But a bad deal will be a bad deal.

    In a best-case scenario Netanyahu signs a bad deal, fully expecting the Ham-asses to break the deal with more random, un-aimable sugar rockets. Something that allows Israel to go right back in and resume, this time with greater ferocity. In theory, the thousand prisoners that Israel releases would be destroyed in that ferocity.

    Alas, probably the majority of the remaining 100 won't make it back home alive, as it appears the Ham-asses don't ever intend to trade them for safe passage out of the area, so greedy they are to maintain the power they've enjoyed.

    Some are interpreting Trump's threats to be pressuring Israel to make a deal, even if it's bad. Imho, I'm not seeing that in his choice of words. This deal that Israel is supposedly scrambling for, could be strategically temporary, just as the Hez-bullshit deal was. The main problem is if they give up the Philadelphi corridor, hostages can be stolen out of the area with a fleeing leadership.
     
    #4536     Jan 14, 2025
  7. Hitler, trying to conquer the world, did what some random Muslim guy wanted.
    Sure. Whatever.
     
    #4537     Jan 14, 2025
  8. This is who they are:

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    zionists are fucking scum.
     
    #4538     Jan 14, 2025


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    IDF - world's most amoral bunch of ZioNazis:
     
    #4539     Jan 14, 2025
  10. Good1

    Good1

    Not any random Muslim, the Mufti of Jerusalem as pictured in this article here:

    How Nazis courted the Islamic world during WWII – DW – 11/13/2017

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    As Mufti of Jerusalem, he is most responsible for quashing Jewish immigration to the British Mandate of Palestine, including pressuring Arabs in Palestine to increase rejection tactics in the region. Basically, he wanted the region for himself.

    I read somewhere that he requested of Hitler to begin liquidating Jews in the British Mandate region of Palestine, or let him and his own troops do it, with Nazi support. Hitler, if i remember right, postponed this request until a time when it was more clear that the Nazi's controlled that area. Something like that.

    So the motive was there. It's quite possible this Mufti put the idea into Hitler's head to liquidate Jews wherever the Nazis were in control. Where Hitler actually got the idea to genocide Jews is unclear. But we do know where a Muslim Mufti would have gotten the idea: from his religion, Islam, and its holy book.

    I believe it is this same Mufti which would have pressured the British to slow or stop Jewish immigration to the Mandate region of Palestine.
     
    #4540     Jan 14, 2025