Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

Discussion in 'Politics' started by themickey, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. ph1l

    ph1l

    Maybe it's time they go for a different communications technology?
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    #3371     Sep 18, 2024
  2. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Strictly speaking, the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing was an act of proxy warfare, which the United States has also employed, very liberally, throughout its history.

    The attack involved a local force and non-state actors, Hezbollah with support from Iran, who targeted military personnel. While suicide bombing is often associated with terrorism, this leads to differing interpretations; primarily because we tend to label our adversaries' tactics as distinct from our own.

    Since the French operation and U.S. barracks were clearly military targets, the bombing was technically an act of asymmetric or proxy warfare. The use of unconventional tactics by non-state actors blurs the line between terrorism and military action, but the primary objective was to strike a military force, not civilians.

    However, the 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing in Beirut is more complicated but easy to argue an act of war because the embassy was dual use. While an embassy is not a military target, the U.S. embassy in Beirut at the time housed a significant number of military and intelligence personnel involved in coordinating U.S. operations in Lebanon. This would have led attackers to view the embassy as a strategic target, albeit not a strictly military one.

    And in this case, it worked. Along with the collapse of the Lebanese military, the U.S. and French forces ultimately withdrew from Lebanon as a result.

    A mistake in hindsight.
     
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    #3372     Sep 18, 2024
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


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    #3373     Sep 18, 2024
  4. Americans also remember the USS Liberty and the Dancing Israeli's on 9/11.

    Should add those to your list of grievances.
     
    #3374     Sep 18, 2024
  5. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    In hindsight...

    Reagan’s decision to pull out allowed groups like Hezbollah and their backers in Iran to claim victory. The withdrawal showed that western forces could be deterred by violent attacks, setting a dangerous precedent for the future. Conservatives shown something works have this talent for just doing the same thing at industrial scale.

    Be very careful when you do something innovative to conservatives as they are want to throw it back, ad nauseum. The pagers thing, it's likely to have unpredictable consequences.

    The lack of resolve emboldened non-state actors across the Middle East, contributing to the rise of real terrorism in the decades to come.

    While there were real political and humanitarian reasons for withdrawal, the long-term strategic consequences of leaving Lebanon were very significant. The retreat reinforced the perception that western powers would not commit to extended military engagements in the Middle East if faced with asymmetric threats. This persisted in subsequent U.S. interventions, such as in Iraq and Afghanistan at great cost.
     
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    #3375     Sep 18, 2024
  6. I'm sure all the current events will help their reputation as well.
     
    #3376     Sep 18, 2024
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

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    #3377     Sep 18, 2024
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Up next?

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    #3378     Sep 18, 2024
  9. Atlantic

    Atlantic

    #3379     Sep 18, 2024
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