Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

Discussion in 'Politics' started by themickey, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    finally? The possibility of sexual violence was never in dispute. The prevalence and degree as reported by the IDF were.

    A United Nations report released on Monday said that it had found grounds to believe that sexual violence occurred against women during the Hamas-led Oct. 7 attack on Israel and evidence that hostages being held in the Gaza Strip were also assaulted. It called for a full investigation.
    The report issued by the U.N. Secretary General’s special envoy on sexual violence in conflict came in response to multiple accounts of sexual violence during the Oct. 7 attack, as well as allegations by Palestinian officials that Palestinian women in detention and in the West Bank had been assaulted. The report asked that Israel grant access to U.N. officials to conduct thorough investigations of the Palestinian accounts.
    From late January to early February, the U.N. deployed a team of experts to Israel and the West Bank led by Pramila Patten, the secretary-general’s special representative on sexual violence in conflict. Ms. Patten’s office said at the time that its representatives planned to gather information from survivors, witnesses, freed hostages and Palestinians recently released from detention.

    In their report, the experts said they had found “reasonable grounds” to believe that sexual violence occurred during the Hamas-led incursion into Israel, including rape and gang rape in at least three locations: the Nova music festival site and its surroundings, Road 232, and Kibbutz Re’im.
    “In most of these incidents, victims first subjected to rape were then killed, and at least two incidents relate to the rape of women’s corpses,” the report said.
    The report said it found “a pattern of victims, mostly women, found fully or partially naked, bound, and shot across multiple locations,” and although the evidence was circumstantial the pattern could indicate some of form of sexual violence and torture.
    It also said it had found “clear and convincing evidence” that hostages being held in Gaza were assaulted.
    The report said that it could not verify the reports of sexual violence in one kibbutz, Kfar Azza, although it said circumstantial information indicated that some violence may have occurred. And it said that two allegations of sexual violence in Kibbutz Be’eri, widely reported by the media, were “unfounded.”
    First responders told The New York Times they had found bodies of women with signs of sexual assault at those two kibbutzim, but The Times, in its investigation, did not refer to the specific allegations that the U.N. said were unfounded.
    “Overall, the mission team is of the view that the true prevalence of sexual violence during the 7 October attacks and their aftermath may take months or years to emerge and may never be fully known,” said the report.
    The U.N. report said that its team also heard allegations of sexual violence against Palestinians that implicated Israeli security forces and settlers.
    Palestinian officials and civil society representatives, the report said, told the U.N. team of incidents involving “cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of Palestinians in detention, including various forms of sexual violence in the form of invasive body searches, threats of rape, and prolonged forced nudity, as well as sexual harassment and threats of rape, during house raids and at checkpoints.”

    The U.N. team asked the government of Israel to allow access to other U.N. bodies, including the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights and the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the occupied Palestinian Territory, so they can conduct thorough independent investigations into these allegations.
    Ms. Patten had said that her trip was not intended to be investigative — other U.N. agencies have that mandate, she said — but to “give voices” to victims and survivors and find ways to offer them support, including justice and accountability.
    The U.N. team included technical experts that could interpret forensic evidence, analyze open-source digital information and conduct interviews with any victims and witnesses of sexual violence, the report said.
    Israel has said that Hamas attacked women sexually during its incursion into southern Israel and had criticized the U.N. for being too slow to condemn the assaults.
    Hamas has denied the allegations, calling them “wartime propaganda.” It said its members only had time to “to crush the enemy’s military sites.”
    Farnaz Fassihi

    https://www.haaretz.co.il/news/law/....premium/0000018c-d3e4-ddba-abad-d3e502980000

    Just days after the NYT article was published, Israeli daily Haaretz reported that the country’s police said authorities were "having difficulty" finding "victims of sexual assault from the Hamas attack".

    "The police are having difficulty locating victims of sexual assault from the Hamas attack, or people who witnessed such attacks, and decided to appeal to the public to encourage those who have information on the matter to come forward," Haaretz reported.

    "Even in the few cases in which testimonies were collected about sexual offenses committed on October 7, police failed to connect the acts with the victims who were harmed by them."

    Adi Edri, a police investigator tasked with probing alleged sexual crimes committed during the Al-Aqsa Flood operation, told Haaretz there were "circumstantial indications" that there were survivors of the 7 October attack who police have yet to contact.
     
    #2021     Mar 4, 2024
  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    you really need to stop making shit up. UNRWA said they fired on the accusation alone due to the gravity of the allegations. The pres. himself said he wanted to leave little doubt at how serious they were taking the issue despite no evidence being presented. Put up or shut up and provide a source for this "dozen video claims" because not even our people in the US got it.

    nysun lol & yes, "enhanced interrogation" has in fact resulted in bogus claims in the past. Who can forget this treasure:

     
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  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Exactly! The U.S reminded the U.N. once again today that their voting for a ceasefire resolution while sitting around jacking their wangs is meaningless. Achieving a pause in the violence requires direct engagement and negotiation --- aka concrete steps. The U.N. is about as useless as tits on a bull.

    US tells UN "sensitive negotiations" are needed to end Gaza crisis, not ceasefire resolutions

    https://www.cnn.com/webview/middlee..._4822d305de837723da6f26054bac0edf?cid=ios_app

    The United States told the United Nations General Assembly Monday that "sensitive negotiations" are the best way to go diplomatically to end the Gaza crisis, not another Security Council resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire.

    The General Assembly met Monday to examine the US veto of the latest Security Council draft resolution calling for a ceasefire in war-torn Gaza. The US was required by a relatively new UN mandate to defend its veto in the Security Council in a special Assembly session.

    The draft resolution at hand would not have achieved the goal of sustainable peace nor resulted in a ceasefire, Robert A. Wood, United States Deputy Permanent Representative to the UN, said during the General Assembly.

    “The question before us is what is the most effective way to achieve these goals,” Wood said. “In our judgment, it is the work of the United States, both here in New York and on the ground.”


    Washington will continue working to get more aid in as well as engaging tirelessly in direct diplomacy and negotiations on the ground, he said adding, “We remain committed to engage constructively on our resolution in the days to come.”

    The Gaza Ministry of Health said Monday that 124 people were killed in the past 24 hours, bringing the death toll in the Gaza Strip to at least 30,534 since October 7.

    CNN cannot independently confirm the numbers due to the lack of international media access to Gaza.
     
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  4. Cuddles

    Cuddles

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  5. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    #2025     Mar 4, 2024
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    It's amazing the fake crap on social media that idiots believe.


    Fake report of IDF spokesperson 'mass resignation' goes viral on social media
    Despite being false, this report has been shared vigorously on posts throughout social media sources, including Reddit, Threads, X (formerly Twitter), and Facebook.
    https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-790180
     
    #2026     Mar 4, 2024
  7. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Blame the Israelis not social media:

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    #2027     Mar 4, 2024
  8. Cuddles

    Cuddles


    Imagine throwing your reputation away to run war propaganda for a fascist regime?

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    The union representing New York Times employees accused the company Friday of targeting employees with Middle Eastern or North African backgrounds in a weeks-long investigation into leaks from its newsroom regarding the paper’s coverage of the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks in Israel.

    In a letter obtained by The Washington Post, NewsGuild of New York president Susan DeCarava said managers picked out particular employees — “targeted for their national origin, ethnicity and race”who had raised concerns about the paper’s reporting for “particularly hostile questioning.”

    “We demand that The Times cease what has become a destructive and racially targeted witch hunt,” DeCarava wrote in the letter to Times publisher and chairperson A.G. Sulzberger.

    In a separate statement sent late Friday to Guild members, union leaders said Times managers had questioned employees about their involvement in an affinity group for employees of Middle Eastern and North African heritage and “ordered them to hand over the names of all of the … active members, and demanded copies of private text-message conversations between colleagues about their shared workplace concerns.”

    Overall, “more than 20” Times employees sat for questioning with a union steward providing counsel, according to the Guild email.

    A spokeswoman for the Times strongly denied the union complaint.

    “The NewsGuild’s claim that we targeted people based on their associations or ethnicity is preposterous,” Danielle Rhoades Ha said in a statement.

    In an email to staff late Saturday afternoon, top editors confirmed the “internal inquiry” into the leak of information from the newsroom but reiterated that the Guild’s accusations of racial targeting were false.

    The email said most of the people interviewed in the investigation were not members of the Middle Eastern affinity group. They added that the review was being conducted because revealing information before publication “crosses a clear red line.”

    “Revealing editing drafts, reporter notes or other confidential materials to outside media erodes trust and undermines our culture of collaboration,” read the memo, signed by executive editor Joe Kahn as well as managing editors Marc Lacey and Carolyn Ryan.

    The leak probe was launched after the Intercept reported that the Times’s flagship podcast, “The Daily,” had shelved a planned episode about the paper’s major investigative report describing a “pattern of gender-based violence” during the attacks, after staffers and outside critics raised questions about the story’s credibility.

    The Times has defended its reporting of the December story in statements to other news organizations and in a Jan. 29 follow-up story.

    Yet the storm of criticism and questions has triggered tensions in the newsroom. In the weeks following the Intercept report, Times managers have called in employees for meetings to try to determine how internal discussions about the shelved “Daily” episode were leaked.

    The existence of the leak investigation was first reported by Vanity Fair.

    With graphic details and a headline suggesting that Hamas had “weaponized sexual violence,” the Times story by correspondent Jeffrey Gettleman and two Israel-based freelancers caused a sensation when it was published Dec. 28.

    But questions about the story quickly circulated. Relatives of a woman slain in the attack, whose story became a central focus of the Times report, cast doubts on reporting suggesting that she was raped, while other critics have pointed to discrepancies in various accounts offered by an eyewitness cited in the story.

    According to the Intercept, the Times had originally intended to showcase its reporting on Oct. 7 sexual violence in a Jan. 9 episode of “The Daily.”

    But “as criticism of Gettleman’s story grew both internally and externally,” the Intercept wrote Jan. 28, “producers at ‘The Daily’ shelved the original script and paused the episode, according to newsroom sources familiar with the process.”

    Instead, the Intercept wrote, the staff prepared a new script that “offered major caveats [and] allowed for uncertainty.” Still, no programming about the sexual violence story has aired yet on the podcast.

    The Times declined at the time to confirm or deny that an episode had been canceled. “As a general matter of policy, we do not comment on the specifics of what may or may not publish in The New York Times or our audio programs,” the company said in a statement to the Intercept. “There is only one ‘version’ of any piece of audio journalism: the one that publishes.”

    This week, the reporting came under new scrutiny following revelations about social media posts that one of the Times’s freelancers had previously “liked,” including one that called for Israel to turn Gaza into a “slaughterhouse” if hostages were not returned immediately and referred to Palestinians as “human animals.”

    In a statement to the Daily Beast, the Times called Anat Schwartz’s social media activity “unacceptable” and said the company was reviewing the matter. The Intercept’s follow-up story this week raised questions about whether Schwartz, a documentary filmmaker who had not previously worked as a reporter, had relied on dubious sources.

    The article focused heavily on Schwartz’s remarks in a Jan. 3 podcast interview with an Israeli media outlet. The Times, in a statement to the Intercept, said the story took Schwartz’s quotes out of context.

    The existence of a leak investigation surprised observers inside and outside the Times. Newsrooms are a locus of gossip, intrigue and dissent, and in-house drama at the Times — perhaps more than most media organizations — has been fodder for countless news stories over the years.

    “I can understand why Times management is unhappy with having the internal workings of their editorial process made public,” said Margaret Sullivan, a former public editor for the Times who is now executive director for the Craig Newmark Center for Journalism Ethics and Security at Columbia Journalism School.

    But Sullivan, a former columnist for The Post, added that “pursuing a leak investigation seems to run counter to the ethos of reporting and transparency.”

    In her letter, DeCarava said some of the employees who had been selected for questioning had no connection to “The Daily.” Instead, she said, they had previously raised concerns about the sexual-violence reporting to standards editors. “These members went above and beyond to follow company policies in bringing feedback internally to Standards, as The Times encourages its journalists to do,” she wrote.

    The result, she wrote, was “an ominous chilling-effect across the newsroom … effectively silencing necessary and critical internal discussion.”


     
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  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #2029     Mar 5, 2024
  10. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    #2030     Mar 5, 2024