Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

Discussion in 'Politics' started by themickey, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    this has been Israeli MO for yrs,

    but since you don't believe Arabs, here's video of the bodies:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/live...of-children-in-slow-motion-ngo?update=2739651
     
    #1941     Feb 29, 2024
  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Because GWB doesn't think Israel lies (I believe it's been community noted but I don't have twitter so maybe one of those things Elon does to spread misinformation [make it non-visible]):


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    in reality:

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    #1942     Feb 29, 2024
  3. Cuddles

    Cuddles

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    #1943     Feb 29, 2024
  4. Cuddles

    Cuddles

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    From the article:

    The IDF says Palestinians were hurt by “pushing and trampling.” It says that troops also opened fire at a crowd moving toward forces in the area in a manner that had “endangered” them.

    From this one in al-Arabiya:

    Israeli sources confirmed Thursday that Israeli troops opened fire at Palestinians rushing toward aid trucks in Gaza, with one saying soldiers thought they “posed a threat.”

    The health ministry in Gaza said 104 people were killed and more than 750 wounded.

    “The crowd approached the forces in a manner that posed a threat to the troops, who responded to the threat with live fire,” one Israeli source told AFP,
    speaking on condition of anonymity as he was not authorized to speak on the incident.
     
    #1944     Feb 29, 2024
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Do the bodies have bullet holes or were they trampled & run over by trucks? The actual wounds will demonstrate the facts of this situation.

    Many were killed and injured after Israeli forces opened fire near an aid convoy. Starkly different accounts of what happened were offered.

    The Gazan health authorities said that more than 100 people were killed and more than 700 injured in a “massacre.” The Israeli military said that Gazans had surrounded aid trucks and “looted the supplies.”
    Thursday, February 29, 2024 11:03 AM ET
    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/02/29/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news

    Israeli forces opened fire on Thursday as a crowd gathered near a convoy of aid trucks in Gaza City in a chaotic scene where dozens were killed and injured, according to the official Palestinian Authority news agency and an Israeli official who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

    The details of what happened were unclear, with Palestinian and Israeli officials offering starkly different accounts.

    The Gazan health authorities said that more than 100 people were killed and more than 700 injured in a “massacre.” The official Palestinian Authority news agency, Wafa, reported that “Israeli tanks had opened fire with machine guns at thousands” waiting for aid to arrive.

    The Israeli military said in two statements that Gazans had surrounded aid trucks and “looted the supplies.” As a result, dozens were “killed and injured from pushing, trampling and being run over by the trucks,” the military said. It did not directly address the Palestinian claims of machine gun fire and said it was investigating.

    An Israeli official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity while the matter is still under investigation, said Israeli soldiers securing the passage of the aid convoy had opened fire after a crowd approached the forces in a manner that the military said posed a threat. The official did not indicate whether the military had fired at the crowd or in its vicinity.

    Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza have become increasingly desperate for food as the United Nations and other relief groups struggle to deliver supplies amid Israel’s nearly five-month-old military offensive. Distribution has also been hampered by a breakdown in law and order, with Gazans seizing food from trucks.

    Such aid is absolutely critical for the more than two million residents of Gaza.

    The territory has been under an almost complete siege since the war began on Oct. 7 with an attack on Israel led by Hamas, the armed Palestinian group that had long controlled Gaza. The United Nations recently warned that at least a quarter of Gaza’s population is “one step away from famine,” and the Gazan health ministry said on Wednesday that at least six children had died in the territory from dehydration and malnutrition.

    The ministry said that the death tollat the site of the convoy on Thursday was expected to rise as wounded Palestinians arrived at Al-Shifa Hospital, where medical staff were “unable to deal with the volume and type of injuries” amid a lack of medical supplies and staff.

    Wounded people were arriving at two other hospitals in the north as well, including Kamal Adwan Hospital, according to the hospital director.

    Late last month, a strike hit a crowd of people waiting for aid trucks in Gaza City, killing multiple people and injuring scores of others, Gazan health authorities said.

    Palestinian leaders condemn the deaths of civilians gathered for food aid.

    Palestinian leaders, Arab officials and international aid groups issued condemnations on Thursday after dozens of civilians were killed as Israeli forces opened fire in northern Gaza where people had gathered to collect food aid.

    The Palestinian Authority, based in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, called the deaths a “heinous act” by Israeli forces and demanded that the international community, especially Israel’s chief ally the United States, intervene to stop Israel’s military offensive.

    “The killing of this large number of innocent civilian victims who risked their livelihood is considered an integral part of the genocidal war committed by the occupation government against our people,” the Palestinian Authority’s presidency said in a statement.

    The circumstances of what happened on Thursday morning remained unclear. Gazan officials said that Israeli tanks had opened fire with machine guns at a crowd of thousands who were waiting for food that has been increasingly scarce amid Israel’s military offensive in Gaza. An Israeli official said that the crowd had approached Israeli forces in a threatening manner, and that soldiers had opened fire.

    An official with Hamas, the armed group at war with Israel in Gaza, accused Israel of targeting “masses of citizens” who were desperately seeking food “to suppress the hunger of their children,” and warned that the killings could derail talks aimed at reaching a cease-fire.

    “We will not allow the path of negotiations, through which we seek to end the human suffering of our people that was created by the occupation, to be a cover for the enemy’s continued crimes against our people in the Gaza Strip,” the official, Izzat Al-Rishq, said in a statement on social media.

    Saudi Arabia’s foreign ministry denounced Israel for “the targeting of defenseless civilians” and urged the international community to “take a firm stance by obligating Israel to respect international humanitarian law.”

    The Jordanian foreign minister criticized what he called a “monstrous act” and urged world leaders to take greater action to protect Palestinians.

    Oxfam, the international charity, said it was “appalled” by the reports of the incident. “Israel deliberately targeting civilians after starving them is a gross violation of international humanitarian laws and our humanity,” the group said.

    B’tselem, an Israeli human rights advocacy group, said that Palestinians in Gaza were suffering because of “the humanitarian crisis Israel has intentionally created,” and that the large crowd had gathered because of desperation.

    “Whether they were shot or trampled to death, intentionally opening fire at civilians is a severe violation of international law and constitutes a war crime,” the group said in a statement. “This is especially grave given a crowd of thousands begging for aid.”

    Biden says the shooting will complicate cease-fire talks.

    President Biden said on Thursday that while he was still learning details of the shooting that killed or wounded hundreds in northern Gaza, he thought the deaths could jeopardize efforts to reach a cease-fire agreement between Israel and Hamas.

    Asked whether the shooting would complicate negotiations, Mr. Biden said, “I know it will.”

    After saying earlier this week that he hoped a cease-fire deal could be reached by next Monday, the president signaled that was unlikely, though he was trying to remain optimistic.

    “Probably not by Monday, but I’m hopeful,” he told reporters before traveling to Brownsville, Texas, to make a rare visit to the country’s southern border.
     
    #1945     Feb 29, 2024
  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    gross

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...city-hamas-claims-104-killed/#openwebComments

    So to recap for those not paying attention, Israel apologists have so far said:

    Israel's cutting water, electricity and food because not doing so give "Hamas" an advantage, don't call it a medieval siege
    Israel's not carpet bombing, it's surgically bombing
    Israel's carpet bombing because Hamas's launching from civilian infra but doing its best to minimize casualties, it's giving them notice!
    Israel's had to bomb the shelters the notice told them to go to because Hamas uses them as human shields by building tunnels under them
    Israel's not conducting ethnic cleansing, it's evacuating to save lives
    Israel's safeguarding the evacuation corridor, that was Hamas bombing the corridor
    Israel's had to carpet bomb because Oct7, but have you compared it to Dresden?
    Israel's not pushing people into Egypt, that'd be ethnic cleansing, it's pushing them south to safe refugee camps
    Israel bombing refugee camps because Hamas found itself there
    Israel is not blocking aid, Hamas is stealing it
    Israelis may be blocking aid, but that's not starving them, why don't they release the hostages?
    Israel's not starving people, that would be a war crime, the real terrorists are the aid workers
    Israel may be starving people, but that's because Hamas smuggles shit, the starvation is on Hamas.
    Israel may be starving people, but it did not shoot these people, it's clearly their fault for going feral from hunger, we told you they were human animals <<you are here


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    #1946     Feb 29, 2024
  7. Ricter

    Ricter

    "Generally speaking, when the U.S. is forced to air drop food and water because another country is preventing other means of delivery, that other country is an adversary, not an ally."

    Quote:

    "Scoop: The White House is exploring the possibility of airdropping aid from U.S. military planes into Gaza as deliveries by land become increasingly difficult, four U.S. officials told me."
     
    #1947     Feb 29, 2024
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Well at the border crossing in Israel we have the families and friends of hostages camping out refusing to let trucks into Gaza until the family members are released. At the Rafah crossing with Egypt we have the Egyptian government officials demanding huge bribes for each truck to allow entry in Gaza. Basically a no win situation with few trucks getting in.

    Air drops may be the next best way of providing food aid. There was video recently of an airdrop to Gaza where the boxes with parachutes fell into the sea and men swam out to retrieve them. Once they pulled the boxes ashore there was lots of fighting with men wielding clubs and whips to stop over people from taking the food boxes.
     
    #1948     Feb 29, 2024
  9. themickey

    themickey

    Asked whether the shooting would complicate negotiations, Mr. Biden said, “I know it will.”
    After saying earlier this week that he hoped a cease-fire deal could be reached by next Monday, the president signaled that was unlikely, though he was trying to remain optimistic.

    joe-biden-ice-cream-ceasefire.jpg "Jesus said to send more aid and weapons to Israel."
     
    #1949     Feb 29, 2024
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Praise the lord and pass the ammo.
     
    #1950     Feb 29, 2024