WSJ: 5 cent increments for 1,000 smallcap stocks starting May 2016

Discussion in 'Order Execution' started by m22au, May 7, 2015.

  1. How do you define "the edges"?
     
    #31     Oct 6, 2016
  2. the_axe

    the_axe

    Look at FET today, which I believe is in the pilot.

    playing the edges: place bids <$21 (after it opened at 21.15) - you'd get filled, stock lifted, then decided when to get out. If you had long bias, it would have worked well today in FET. Low ball bids, sometimes you get hit, sometimes not, when stock moves in extremes, take advantage of it. Once the extreme played itself out, maybe a 25 cent profit (or more). Ok not much but on 1000 shs, its $250. Playing the edges: don't be afraid to put in low bids, or conversely high offers, the move plays itself out and in this method-could grind out some $$.

    I was aware of this pilot, just forgot to watch it until now. Maybe its nothing, maybe not. Maybe I just want the good ole days back. Gives an intra day trader a little cushion, gotta use limit orders, stay disciplined, with todays low low cost of moving shs....could be a new business model possibly, as a trader or prop shop, or I'm a dreamer, probably the later.
     
    #32     Oct 6, 2016
  3. Bob111

    Bob111

    I'm kind of skeptical that we (retail) can have any edge anywhere these days over geeks with HFT's and the rest. specially with 60 or so marketcenters/pools /ECN's. is subpenny game still in play?
    how bigger spreads can attract more liquidity? (that whats SEC is saying\selling)
    they have killed the retail while ago,shooting themselves and the entire industry in the foot. now they have some liquidity because they favored more dark pools,exchanges,ecn's, HFT and whatnot .but if you want true liquidity AND the fresh meat-we need a set of rules that favors the retail, average joe the casino gambler.
     
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    #33     Oct 6, 2016
  4. I hope you find something there. I still think adverse selection is going to be too much to overcome. I'm not a HFT boogie man guy, but I think this pilot is going to be bad for retail both ways; still outsmarted when it comes to liquidity provision and increased slippage when a price taker. Will know a lot more in a month on the latter - I'll post some stats here if I remember.
     
    #34     Oct 6, 2016
  5. the_axe

    the_axe

    Lots of variables yes. However bids /offers are still time stamped, first in, first in line.

    No, sub penny not in play, best I know.

    Yea lots of ways to route orders but the nbbo still matters.
     
    #35     Oct 6, 2016
  6. d08

    d08

    Good ole days, like brokers who want phone trading back so they can rip off everyone else.
    I don't see anything positive for daytraders with this bought regulation, I do wonder however how much it costs to buy laws these days.
     
    #36     Oct 7, 2016
  7. Bob111

    Bob111

    #37     Oct 7, 2016
  8. poorboy

    poorboy

    Exactly.
     
    #38     Jan 1, 2017
  9. poorboy

    poorboy

    Can you imagine what it would do to GM if they had a minimum spread of $1.75?

    I think someone has been snorting too much cocaine.
     
    #39     Jan 1, 2017