Wow! Another racial fight.

RCG Trader · Apr 24, 2011

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Yes, but Bill Cosby is a comic. I just don't get why he, in particular, draws all the angst from the black community. Maybe it's because he is being serious when he talks about it and not trying to draw laughs.
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People don't like to be lectured to. But the black, white, and latino condition has been broadcast by comics for years, many years. The legendary comics of all ethic groups have been doing it for a long time.

RCG Trader · Apr 24, 2011

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People don't like to be lectured to. But the black, white, and latino condition has been broadcast by comics for years, many years. The legendary comics of all ethic groups have been doing it for a long time.
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More black people speaking out.....

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trendlover · Apr 24, 2011

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The data I got was from the DOJ, put into a study by some professor named Philip Rushton, which concludes the following:
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http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/J._Philippe_Rushton

"Rushton has not only contributed to American Renaissance publications and graced their conferences with his presence but also offered praise and support for the "scholarly" work on racial differences of Henry Garrett, who spent the last two decades of his life opposing the extension of the Constitution to blacks on the basis that the "normal" black resembled a European after frontal lobotomy. Informed of Garrett's assertion that blacks were not entitled to equality because their "ancestors were ... savages in an African jungle," Rushton dismissed the observation as quoted "selectively from Garrett's writing", finding nothing opprobrious in such sentiments because the leader of the scientific opposition to civil rights had made other statements about black inferiority that were, according to Rushton, "quite objective in tone and backed by standard social science evidence." Quite apart from the questionable logic in defending a blatant call to deprive citizens of their rights by citing Garrett's less offensive writingâas if it were evidence of Ted Bundy's innocence that there were some women he had met and not killedâthere was no sense on Rushton's part that all of Garrett's assertions, whether or not "objective," were utterly irrelevant to constitutional guarantees, which are not predicated on scientific demonstrations of intellectual equality.

Rushton wrote an opinion piece for the Ottawa Citizen which blamed the destruction of "Toronto the Good" on its black inhabitants. The Southern Poverty Law Center called the piece "yet another attack" by Rushton and it criticized those who published his work and that of other "race scientists".

Rushton spoke at the Preserving Western Civilization conference in Baltimore in February 2009, organized by Michael H.Hart to address the need to defend "Americaâs Judeo-Christian heritage and European identity" from immigrants, Muslims, and African Americans. In his speech, Rushton contended that Islam was not just a cultural, but also a genetic problem. According to Rushton, the Muslim problem is not just a condition of their particular belief system. Instead, he argued that Muslims have an aggressive personality with relatively closed, simple minds, and are less impervious to reason than one might expect. Lisa Suzuki and Joshua Aronson of New York University wrote in 2005 that Rushton has ignored evidence that fails to support his position that IQ test score gaps represent a racial hierarchy. He has not changed his position on this matter for 30 years. Rushton replied in the same issue of the journal.

After Rushton had mailed a booklet to psychology, sociology, and anthropology professors across North America, Hermann Helmuth, a professor of anthropology at Trent University, said: "It is in a way personal and political propaganda. There is no basis to his scientific research." Rushton responded, "It's not racist; it's a matter of science and recognizing variation in all groups of people."

Zack Cernovsky, in the Journal of Black Studies, claims "some of Rushton's references to scientific literature with respects to racial differences in sexual characteristics turned out to be references to a nonscientific semipornographic book and to an article in the Penthouse magazine's Forum."

Articles in the Canadian press based on interviews with Rushton's first-year psychology students reported that Rushton had surveyed students in 1988 by asking "such questions as how large their penises are, how many sex partners they have had, and how far they can ejaculate." First-year psychology students at UWO are required "to participate in approved surveys as a condition of their studies. If they choose not to, they must write one research paper. Also, many students feel subtle pressure to participate in order not to offend professors who may later be grading their work. However, if a study is not approved, these requirements do not apply at all." For not telling them they had the option to not participate without incurring additional work, Rushton was barred by the university where he is tenured from using students as research subjects for two years."
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Savant · Apr 24, 2011

Yes, in other words, a highly accomplished scholar and scientist. In any case, whether or not Albert Einstein or a street bum had compiled the data is irrelevant. The data stands on it's own regardless of who compiled it. Good think you're above logical fallacy ad hominem attacks. Dr. Hart, the other scholar mentioned in the article, is a physicist, he also wrote TIME Magazine's book on the most influential people of the last 1000 years.

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Quote from Savant:

The data I got was from the DOJ, put into a study by some professor named Philip Rushton, which concludes the following:
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Ok. ???

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/J._Philippe_Rushton

"Rushton has not only contributed to American Renaissance publications and graced their conferences with his presence but also offered praise and support for the "scholarly" work on racial differences of Henry Garrett, who spent the last two decades of his life opposing the extension of the Constitution to blacks on the basis that the "normal" black resembled a European after frontal lobotomy. Informed of Garrett's assertion that blacks were not entitled to equality because their "ancestors were ... savages in an African jungle," Rushton dismissed the observation as quoted "selectively from Garrett's writing", finding nothing opprobrious in such sentiments because the leader of the scientific opposition to civil rights had made other statements about black inferiority that were, according to Rushton, "quite objective in tone and backed by standard social science evidence." Quite apart from the questionable logic in defending a blatant call to deprive citizens of their rights by citing Garrett's less offensive writingâas if it were evidence of Ted Bundy's innocence that there were some women he had met and not killedâthere was no sense on Rushton's part that all of Garrett's assertions, whether or not "objective," were utterly irrelevant to constitutional guarantees, which are not predicated on scientific demonstrations of intellectual equality.

Rushton wrote an opinion piece for the Ottawa Citizen which blamed the destruction of "Toronto the Good" on its black inhabitants. The Southern Poverty Law Center called the piece "yet another attack" by Rushton and it criticized those who published his work and that of other "race scientists".

Rushton spoke at the Preserving Western Civilization conference in Baltimore in February 2009, organized by Michael H.Hart to address the need to defend "Americaâs Judeo-Christian heritage and European identity" from immigrants, Muslims, and African Americans. In his speech, Rushton contended that Islam was not just a cultural, but also a genetic problem. According to Rushton, the Muslim problem is not just a condition of their particular belief system. Instead, he argued that Muslims have an aggressive personality with relatively closed, simple minds, and are less impervious to reason than one might expect. Lisa Suzuki and Joshua Aronson of New York University wrote in 2005 that Rushton has ignored evidence that fails to support his position that IQ test score gaps represent a racial hierarchy. He has not changed his position on this matter for 30 years. Rushton replied in the same issue of the journal.

After Rushton had mailed a booklet to psychology, sociology, and anthropology professors across North America, Hermann Helmuth, a professor of anthropology at Trent University, said: "It is in a way personal and political propaganda. There is no basis to his scientific research." Rushton responded, "It's not racist; it's a matter of science and recognizing variation in all groups of people."

Zack Cernovsky, in the Journal of Black Studies, claims "some of Rushton's references to scientific literature with respects to racial differences in sexual characteristics turned out to be references to a nonscientific semipornographic book and to an article in the Penthouse magazine's Forum."

Articles in the Canadian press based on interviews with Rushton's first-year psychology students reported that Rushton had surveyed students in 1988 by asking "such questions as how large their penises are, how many sex partners they have had, and how far they can ejaculate." First-year psychology students at UWO are required "to participate in approved surveys as a condition of their studies. If they choose not to, they must write one research paper. Also, many students feel subtle pressure to participate in order not to offend professors who may later be grading their work. However, if a study is not approved, these requirements do not apply at all." For not telling them they had the option to not participate without incurring additional work, Rushton was barred by the university where he is tenured from using students as research subjects for two years."
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DoneNDone · Apr 24, 2011

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My father has been held at gunpoint ... Twice.

My brother once ....

The perps? Need you ask?

And remember kids,.... "Don't Snitch!".

Edit: I merely got jumped in a restaurant once... Almost forgot about that one ... Incidentally, all these incidences occurred in Scott Walker's and my home town. So, the man is not isolated from the realities of the world. Walker For President!
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I want to raise one thing about the above. My home town is middle/upper middle class neighborhood, dating back to the industrial golden age, directly adjacent to a district in which an alderman was repeatedly re-elected, who is on recorded as having admonished his constituents to "Stop Snitching"

I'm not making this up....

For years, people have refused to flee, even as the shit is flowing upstream, but , it is likely just a matter of time ...

Solutions? ... good god, you can bring a horse to water ...

nutmeg · Apr 24, 2011

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See, now he is speaking out. Does he get attacked for it like Cosby does? Why not?
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I think Cosby got flack because he spoke to an influential educated audience (I think on the anniversary of brown vs board- court descision) and he wasn't kidding around. Behind the scenes, NAACP among others agreed with Cosby in private but could not align with him in a public forum. His project ran out of steam very fast from the black community labeling cosby as "blaming" the victim. Sad.
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RCG Trader · Apr 24, 2011

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I want to raise one thing about the above. My home town is middle/upper middle class neighborhood, dating back to the industrial golden age, directly adjacent to a district in which an alderman was repeatedly re-elected, who is on recorded as having admonished his constituents to "Stop Snitching"

I'm not making this up....

For years, people have refused to flee, even as the shit is flowing upstream, but , it is likely just a matter of time ...

Solutions? ... good god, you can bring a horse to water ...
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I have never been in a city where a middle/upper class neighborhood was next to the hood, or a trailer park. Are you sure your street is what you say it is?

RCG Trader · Apr 24, 2011

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I think Cosby got flack because he spoke to an influential educated audience (I think on the anniversary of brown vs board- court descision) and he wasn't kidding around. Behind the scenes, NAACP among others agreed with Cosby in private but could not align with him in a public forum. His project ran out of steam very fast from the black community labeling cosby as "blaming" the victim. Sad.
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Im not sure when it was, but I remember Eric Dyson turned on him, and it was a wrap. He did get the blaming the victim moniker. It was a pivotal point in my understanding of socio-political dynamics. Cos was right, and everyone knew it. I realized then that our underclass should be left to die. They will not help themselves. Whites already brand their underclass as, "trash". We should do the same and leave them be.

Maverick74 · Apr 24, 2011

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I have never been in a city where a middle/upper class neighborhood was next to the hood, or a trailer park. Are you sure your street is what you say it is?
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Have you been to Cabrini Green in Chicago? Of course they are tearing it down now but for years it was located blocks away from the Gold Coast.

Have you been to Evanston? Just south of the million dollar homes is one of the worst ghettos in Chicago at the border of Rogers Park and South Evanston.

Have you been to Oak Park? Two stops east on the blue line and you are in ghetto central.

I could go on and on. It was like this in NY as well. Hell, everywhere I have lived the ghetto has been scarily close to not middle class but upper class neighborhoods. It can lead one who is not from the area into a false sense of security.

stock777 · Apr 24, 2011

watched 10 seconds of it. shit like this and worse been going on for 50 years. where the f$#% you been? just didnt have video of it before.

street scum everywhere.