Would you rather Trade or Be Rich?

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by J.Joseph, Oct 25, 2011.

  1. I like your optimism. The fact is, my system gives me about 3 per month but the number of trades I had been taking in reality was closer to 15.
     
    #21     Oct 29, 2011
  2. the1

    the1

    I once ran a Beta trading room and a lot of the time was spent doing nothing. The natives because very restless. Your down time is the most important time in this profession but very few realize that. They want to be in the market getting a piece of the action. Very few have the patience to wait until the market offers an opportunity.

    Trading is all about putting yourself in a position to take advantage of an opportunity when the market gives it to you.

     
    #22     Oct 29, 2011
  3. You have me pegged! I already consider myself "rich" and have never really had to rely on trading as my only source income. But even once a month I find a setup up that is just like duuhh and that one trade usually funds all my losers for the following month. And I suppose even if that setup failed a few months out of the year I would still be better off just taking those high prob trades (I wouldn't go all in as you suggest, I like to risk 2k to make 10k) Although I'm pretty proud of myself for not shorting against this spike in oil. I told myself 95 and that is what I'm waiting for and if I miss one big red bar I'm sure there will be 2 or 3 more to follow :p I've been trying to keep my self busy and by doing fundamental equity research even though it is meaningless it keeps me from trading for the sake of trading.

    I also suppose there are many skilled traders that say why once a month or 5 times a year as you say. There are 1 or 2 super high prob trades everyday. What is the difference in trying to capture 20 cents on 5 contracts as apposed to capturing a buck on 1 contract? Just like model railroading! pick your scale. I like HO!
     
    #23     Oct 29, 2011
  4. wavel

    wavel

    Absolutely.
     
    #24     Oct 30, 2011
  5. I'd rather trade. I'd trade even if I was only making 35,000 a year. Of course thats relative to my cost of living atm.
     
    #25     Oct 30, 2011
  6. There is no way to know, without hindsight, those 5 trades a month. The exits are what determine the outcome, not the entries, so...without kissing dozens of frogs there really is no way to find the princesses...If you can breakeven or make 1 tic or lose very small on all the frogs, then you catch the 5 princesses per month and have triplets with them, then you are one of the top 0.001% in the world.

    You only want to kiss princesses and not kiss frogs. It's understandable, but unrealistic.
     
    #26     Oct 30, 2011
  7. yeah, but some of us like frogs. Maybe not kissing them, but they're fun to catch and watch for a while and then let go. (Especially enjoyable if you catch them when they are just tadpoles.)
     
    #27     Oct 30, 2011
  8. Sounds like a shorter timeframe with a lot more "trades" per month. Fine for some. I prefer the princesses.
     
    #28     Oct 30, 2011
  9. I'll probably never quit, but I'm trying to cut down to two or three a day (one after meals and one after sex.)
     
    #29     Oct 30, 2011
  10. This topic is really about position sizing. I haven't read all the comments so I apoligize if this has already been said:

    For mathematically correct position sizing, you should study well:

    Fortune's Formula: The Untold Story of the Scientific Betting System That Beat the Casinos and Wall Street

    Plus

    The Misbehavior of Markets: A Fractal View of Financial Turbulence by Benoit Mandelbrot and Richard L. Hudson


    kztd
     
    #30     Oct 30, 2011