Would it be easier to attempt 4pts with 5 contracts or 10 pts with 2 contracts trading the NQ?

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by ftrexx1, Apr 22, 2018.

  1. Xela

    Xela


    The guys above, saying "Your question sounds stupid to me" and "Your question is the TOTAL OPPOSITE of what you should be asking" have it exactly right.

    "Plain speaking", maybe ... but exactly right.



    That's very broad-shouldered of you. But they already did (well, maybe) so I'll welcome you to the ET forum, instead. And then try to explain something ...

    Here's the thing: the number of contracts you trade ("position-sizing") needs to be determined from other parameters (your trading-plan, the chart, the volatility, the type of entry, your risk-management parameters, how far all those things dictate that your target should be, and so on and so forth), not taken as a starting-point with other parameters subsequently being determined from it. So truly, you have the cart in front of the horse.

    I trade NQ every day, and how many points (or ticks) I'm aiming to take from each trade varies, according to the type of entry and the volatility and what the market does, each day. I certainly don't sit down to trade each morning intending to take any fixed amount of money: I sit down intending to follow my trading plan, see what happens, avoid drawdowns and make damn sure I can sit down again the next day and do the same thing.

    And personally, I'd advise you against having a "target of $400 per day". The minimum "average target-period" should be a month. I don't think it's necessarily unreasonable to have an "average expectation of $8,400 per month" (that's arithmetically the same, near enough), though I don't do it myself. But it's hard to see much sense in a "daily target": it's a bad way of looking at it, and it may encourage you trade every day whether the chart suits your entry-parameters or not (which can't be wise?) and it may also mean that on a day when you could have taken $1,000 or $1,200, you've stopped after the first $400. I would re-think this completely, if I were you.



    It does ... to you (and I can see what you mean by it, too, to be honest). And that's why you have the problem!

    Do you have a trading plan with a valid, proven, genuine edge?
     
    #11     Apr 22, 2018
  2. ftrexx1

    ftrexx1

    Getting 10 points/days would require more that one trade.
     
    #12     Apr 22, 2018
  3. Overnight

    Overnight

    Not true. With NQ it can happen with one trade in 5 seconds, or it can take hours. But it can be done. Mostly luck there. Of course it cannot be done consistently.

    As to the basic question the OP posed...It is always going to be easier going for 10 points on 2 contracts rather than 4 points with 5 contracts.

    Want to see why? Do it live on any given RTH day outside of NYC lunch hours. See how you feel watching it. Your system is going to totally fail as you totally fail your system emotionally.
     
    #13     Apr 22, 2018
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  4. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Your backtested results should be able to answer these questions for you...

    4 points / 5 contracts versus 10 points / 2 contracts

    In addition, your backtest results should tell you what type of market conditions that are needed to be present for either of the above to occur. You'll then know when to trade and when not to trade based upon the market conditions.

    Seriously, if you knew when both tend to occur...you could then do both. Knowing when to do the 4/5 and knowing when to do the 10/2.

    I'm just thinking outside the box and assuming you have adequate backtesting info to exploit.

    wrbtrader
     
    #14     Apr 22, 2018
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  5. jl1575

    jl1575

    Work really really hard and smart, with some luck, to develop systems that were done tons of back tested and real time tested and can handle any chop, spike, and boring period of time and win handsomely and surely, then you have a chance to make money consistently. I believe you can stack up to 50 lots without much constraint, and even more in ES.
     
    #15     Apr 22, 2018
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  6. Overnight

    Overnight

    Go ahead, right now on June NQ in live. It is sitting at 6688.5, wait, it is 90.0 now....Wait, it is now 88.65...Wait, it is...See the problem here?

    You're going to get whipsawed so bad your momma' won't even recognize you.

    Focus on the market and understand it. Realize what it is, and what it can do to you. The only way to tame her is to know her.



    By the way, in sim I went short at 6686.00 with 5 contracts a bit ago. Let's see what happens. With a 10 point stop, 6 point target. Watch this nonsense...
     
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    #16     Apr 22, 2018
  7. Overnight

    Overnight

    And there you have it. Stop hit, account would be down 1000 bux. Enjoy your trek into why assuming certain stops and profit targets are going to work on NQ. If you had only 2 contracts on? Maybe your stop would have been father out? Do you see the problem here?
     
    #17     Apr 22, 2018
  8. Overnight

    Overnight

    So now I am going to put a single contract on Sep NQ long. Let's see what happens. Sim of course. Entry is at 6724.00
     
    #18     Apr 22, 2018
  9. ET180

    ET180

    Figure out a good entry strategy first and then worry about the target / exit strategy later.
     
    #19     Apr 22, 2018
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  10. then just do 50 roundstrips of reverse trades, so if you think you wanna buy do the opposite. and if you want to sell , buy...
     
    #20     Apr 22, 2018