Would a liberal admit Public Housing means a surge in crime in the area?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ChkitOut, Oct 12, 2012.

  1. I swear, this place's P&R folks run about 30 or so years behind the times. More, in this case.
    The Death and Life of Great American Cities - written 50 years ago or so, and pointing out how poorly public housing does at housing people safely. Lots of cities have since taken to demolishing or radically revising the layouts of their housing as a direct result of what this book said.
    Fifty freakin years ago.
    By the way, lady who wrote it was a liberal. Flaming variety.
     
    #11     Oct 13, 2012
  2. Long term I don't expect any improvement.

    I think at some level we all can agree that the state/fed gov't has assumed some role as parent via schools. What is seriously lacking is discipline and consequences for behaviours. If there aren't proper consequences we have out of control pupils by the time they are 11-12 years old. (I think you'll find studies out there that this is the age in the hood where kids really begin to fail).

    The state policy on discipline is getting more lenient, usually claiming race as an issue. This is hurting not helping anyone. Oh well.....
     
    #12     Oct 14, 2012
  3. If only we could get the tenants to stop pissing in the hallways and elevators. If only the tenants could recognize a mop and a broom their wouldn't be so many damn roaches and rats, If only the Fed gov't would be a better landlord, wtf do they know about being a landlord, Hud has failed for those 50 friggin years.

    Besides how much money does white america want to spend on free housing? High rise is economical. Pretty tough pill to swallow when we have to provide 5 bedroom units (hood people have big families) for free when people in the burbs are struggling to pay for a 2 bed unit.
     
    #13     Oct 14, 2012
  4. This made me wonder, what the heck are the job requirements to become a city leader/ Take Detroit for instance, they probably haven't elected anyone who even read this book. How can people run a city not even have a clue on how a city operates?
     
    #14     Oct 14, 2012
  5. maxpi

    maxpi

    I'll celebrate when the federal government sends people around to kick all the recipients of welfare out of bed at 5am and impose a curfew at 8pm.
     
    #15     Oct 14, 2012
  6. jem

    jem

    I am not sure of your point... the reviews saying she proposed diversity of structure and barely touched on people.

    so what is your point... urban planners trying to force their utopian ideas on cities screwed up.

    I studied under a highly regarded law professor who suggested cities wind up working better without any zoning laws at all.

    My opinion on this subject is not well informed... but I tend to agree with the idea that govt officials work for their own self interest.

    I have seen local officials bribed into turning San Diego's set aside open space into houses... last 25 years.

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    #16     Oct 14, 2012