Worst market ever?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by daniel_m, Apr 21, 2002.

  1. Babak

    Babak

    I think as long as you have an exit strategy and have given this outcome a reasonable probability of occurance (meaning that you won't be shocked into paralysis) then I think you're going to be ok. Althought the market as a whole may be experiencing low volatility as per the VIX or VXN there are many pockets of high/med volatility out there still. So it really is in the eye of the beholder.
     
    #11     Apr 21, 2002
  2. Jeffo

    Jeffo

    Just wanted to point out lose (as in loss) is spelled lose not loose. Sorry I'm so anal, just trying to help out.
     
    #12     Apr 21, 2002
  3. Brandonf

    Brandonf Sponsor

    Now I know why I never won that damn spelling bee <GG>

    Brandon
     
    #13     Apr 21, 2002
  4. I am sure you can make a living no matter what the market does with enough capital and experience. But I am talking about making it big here, every trader wants to be a big player one day. When you see the Market Wizards for ex. most of them traded during the megabull market started in the 80's or the bullmarket of the 70's in commodities. I also think the best traders (at least early in their career )are specialized in a few markets they know very well not jack of all trades looking for trends across sectors and markets.
     
    #14     Apr 21, 2002
  5. Rigel

    Rigel

    A non-Bull or sideways market is a good excuse for failure isn't it.
    Everybodys in the same boat, and fair is fair.
    If you win at this game you've accomplished something.
     
    #15     Apr 21, 2002
  6. freemind

    freemind

    Dan Lu at Sonic in NYC

    Meyer Offman at Generic/Carlin Equities

    Is Dimitri still making big $$$ at Schonfeld?

    There are a number of others too. But it's not going to be easy like 1998-2000. Goodbye video game and hello real trading environment.
     
    #16     Apr 21, 2002
  7. I sure am having no trouble in this market. My trading account is up way way more this year (130%) than it was at this time last year. I think that most people are looking for momentum and volatility that isn't there. If you trade countertrend, you'll do much better. When markets don't go anywhere, you buy the dips, and short the moves up. You'll do fine, cause the market goes no where and reverts to the mean.
     
    #17     Apr 22, 2002
  8. TonyOz

    TonyOz

    Personally, I love this kind of market. The reason I like it is because fund managers are scrambling to shift money from one stock to the other. It reminds me of a few other markets I traded in the past, be it 1991, 1994 or 1997 and even some of 1998 before the Internuts took off.

    I have a great edge in this market. I have years of experience using The Usual Suspects, Knock Down, Power Trader and New Kid on the Block Scans. And guess what? I find the stocks that get the interest from both buyers and sellers everyday. And I like it the most when there is no Index sponsorship for that particular stock, so it completely disconnects itself from the market and move on its own. In other words, futures tick up - it doesn't matter. Futures tick down - it doesn't matter. It ignores the market.

    Moreover, Sky Scraper on Nasdaq stocks has been GREAT. Some Bottom-Fisher on NYSE and Nasdaq as well had good success in channel trading.

    Bottom Line: There are plenty of opportunities every trading day. It is all about finding them, being selective and managing the trades properly.

    The time of year should also be considered if you plan to carry overnight. Earnings season and confession season have large impact on gaps. So you must be extra careful in January, April, July and October as well as the last two weeks of the month prior (confession period).

    This market requires a lot more patience and discipline. I also think that experience is paying off great dividends right now, especially for those who traded well in the early 90's.
     
    #18     Apr 22, 2002
  9. Rigel

    Rigel

    I've been having trouble for the last month, breaking even. Study time for me. I hope Praet and Tony don't cut down all the money trees before I get my axe sharpened.:D
     
    #19     Apr 22, 2002
  10. I think this is a tough market for most traders because of the lack of volatility and sustained momentum. It reminds me of the period in '92-'94. I think you need to remember three things to make money: 1. Play the range, not the trend; 2. Keep your powder dry, don't lose your trading stake getting whipsawed every day, and 3. There are other markets to trade, such as the bonds, energies, currencies, etc. Some of them have had huge moves.
     
    #20     Apr 22, 2002