Wisconsin Recall

Discussion in 'Politics' started by seneca_roman, Jan 23, 2012.

  1. If you need a place to waste time:


    Live video of the Government Accountability Board that is verifying by hand the over 1 million recall petition signatures.


  2. People love hearing about cuts until it actually effects them.The Governors of Florida ,SC and Ohio are very unpopular as well.Great for Obama in 2012
  3. pspr


    Hanging chad, again? Or smudged signatures this time.
  4. Ricter


    "Editor's note: Nelson Lichtenstein is MacArthur Foundation professor of history and director of the Center for the Study of Work, Labor, and Democracy at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

    (CNN) -- In a stunning achievement for unionists and Democrats, critics of the Wisconsin governor Scott Walker marshaled over a million signatures for a petition that has made it possible for Walker to lose his office in a recall election this spring. If so, that would be the first successful gubernatorial recall in Wisconsin history and only the third in that of the United States.

    Walker blundered last year by pushing through the state legislature a hugely unpopular law that cripples public-sector collective bargaining and thereby suffocates most government unions.

    Coming on the heels of the November referendum in Ohio, which overturned a similar Republican-sponsored law, it's clear that the American trade union movement is not yet dead. Indeed, the defense of these venerable institutions retains the capacity to put thousands in the streets and mobilize millions of voters, not all of whom are card-carrying unionists by any means.

    But those hostile to unionism are hardly backing off. In Indiana, where Republicans control the legislature and governor's mansion, they are about to pass a state "Right-to-Work" law similar to those anti-union statutes long ago enacted in deep red states as South Carolina and Texas. And in the nation's capital, Republican legislators are on the warpath against the very existence of the National Labor Relations Board, the 75-year-old agency whose Depression-era mandate fosters the capacity of workers to form "unions of their own choosing."

    Why the fuss, when private sector trade unions enroll but one out of every 14 workers and unions have hardly grown in more than 30 years? Meanwhile the strike has practically vanished from the American landscape - there were at least ten times more each year in the 1970s - and the negotiation of a new union contract, in both the public and private sectors, is considered a labor victory if the workers escape without too many givebacks.

    Political rhetoric during this campaign season fails to capture what's at stake. The Republicans denounce the pensions long ago negotiated by public sector unions as too expensive and they keep up attacks on the contributions of "Washington union bosses" to the Democrats.

    For their part, most Democrats, and this includes President Barack Obama, rarely offer a full-throated defense of the labor movement itself. Instead they frame the Republican anti-union offensive in the Midwestern states largely as an assault on the middle class, as if questions of power and ideology were not at stake.

    But the fate of unionism is all about class power in American society and the ideologies that motivate those who either defend or defame these institutions. The Occupy Wall Street protests have moved issues of economic inequality closer to the top of the contemporary political agenda, but it's the unions -- in their sometimes plodding and prosaic fashion -- that have long ameliorated the stark disparities of wealth and income that an unfettered capitalism so naturally produces.

    Tax fairness is a big political issue this campaign season, but of far greater impact on the distribution of American wealth and power is the existence of a union movement and the prospect that it might one day grow again.

    In the middle decades of the 20th century, when incomes were less unequal -- economists called this the era of the "great compression" -- the trade unions were potent, both at the bargaining table and in politics. Conversely, there is much evidence to show that the sharp decline in private sector unionism since the late 1970s is connected to the rising inequality we have today.

    When they are strong, unions can limit the prerogatives of individual businessmen, government officials and the untamed workings of the labor market. Contemporary free-market conservatives find all this intolerable, which is why governors like Scott Walker and New Jersey's Chris Christie so often seek to demonize the trade unions as corrupt and omnipotent.

    Fortunately, that rhetoric has found its limit, first in Ohio and now in Wisconsin where more than a million citizens put down their names endorsing the union idea."
  5. It will be curious to see how many actual recall votes there will be beyond the count of the petition signatures.
  6. Agree, everybody is for cuts to somebody else!!! Democracies true weakness.

  7. Wisconsin verified that Adolf Hitler and Mickey Mouse could be actual signatures as long as the address was valid.
  8. I would argue that unions have done the exact opposite of what the article quoted in the OP maintained. Instead of leveling economic inequality, they have contributed to it. How? Ny driving the staple of the middle class, manufacturing jobs, out of the country. These are the "good jobs", those that allowed workers without a college diploma to earn decent salaries.

    Unions have contributed to higher than market salaries for government employees, but that hurts the economy by siphoning money from productive uses to unproductive ones. Plus, they are rapidly becoming unaffordable, which is what the fight in Wisconsin and elsewhere is all about.

    The only way to bring back manufacturing is to enact some merchantilist laws like those advocated by Santorum, eg zero tax on manufacturing. Repeal of free trade laws and withdrawal from the WTO would be good steps as well. We have the world's largest market. There is no reason we can't negotiate fair trade treaties with any country that wants one, but they have to based on total recicprocity. Let's stop being everyone's bitch.
  9. Can Mr. Mouse even write. I think he is illiterate.

    How will he manage the voting machines with three finger mitten hands. He can hardly manage a steamboat.
  10. Rubes, the buncha you (AK excepted, natch).
    I mean, c'mon, all of you decided, a year before anyone was going to cast a vote, that Obama was in deep doodoo and the Congress was going to go 100% Republican.
    On the basis of...
    I never could figure that out.
    The FL governor is deeply unpopular, as is the governor of OH and WI. All of them Tea Party favorites.
    Hmm, could it be that maybe, just maybe, the Tea Party is, to the extent it ever was real, a very very debatable proposition, already turning to dust and ashes?
    Ron Paul, who is to the Tea Party what Satchel Paige was to the old Negro Leagues, has yet to win a Republican primary.
    The REAL issue is, has been, and always will be, for the vaunted base of the Republican Party, abortion. Second to that, gay marriage. Batting third, race.
    Ron Paul, innocent that he was, thought they meant it when they said they wanted strict interpretations of the Constitution. He gave them what they said they wanted, and they booed him.
    It will always be about social issues for the base, because that base is nothing but the old Dixiecrats. They're as interested in the Constitution as Hugh Hefner is in the intelligence of the next Playmate he gets to bop.
    #10     Jan 23, 2012