Windows 7 - To InStall Or Not - Dat is the ?

Discussion in 'Trading Software' started by EdgeHunter, Oct 22, 2009.

  1. Magna

    Magna Administrator

    Never found them a problem from 32bit to 32bit. Ran NT for a number of years, upgraded to Win2000 without incident. Years later upgraded that to XP without incident. And like I said, Microsoft is providing a simple upgrade path from Vista to Windows 7. It's not the clean installation of the O/S that bothers me, it's the re-installation of all my (many years) accumulated software that is a royal pain in the keister. And not just the re-installation (assuming I can even find all of it), but the endless re-configuring to get it back to where I had it.
     
    #11     Oct 22, 2009
  2. thstart

    thstart

    It is faster; saves energy; works very stable on a range of computers - I am using in house a cheap 1999 year computer for a server as well as brand new Dell Workstation, Lenovo Workstation, others too; many new technologies - DirectX11, Direct2D is scalable and fast - works with GPU graphics accelerators as well as with less powerful graphic cards; native mode; many new technologies - BUT needs new programs to be used fully. We rewrote all our apps in native C++, got rid from .NET and all bloated software based on it.

    Bottom line - it is superior than anything else currently available BUT needs new applications specifically written to use its features.
     
    #12     Oct 22, 2009
  3. cstfx

    cstfx

    The OS istallation I believe you will find EXTREMELY easy compared with previous versions of windows if the RC is any indication of the actual shipped product. Took less than 15 minutes to do a clean install from format. I have been using the RC since March and am very happy with it's functionality. Took a while to get used to "libraries" instead of "folders", but had the same problem when it went from directories top folders. Easier networking with older OS's too compared to Vista.
     
    #13     Oct 22, 2009
  4. thstart

    thstart

    yes, this is always that way with new installations.
     
    #14     Oct 22, 2009
  5. jprad

    jprad

    Everything you say is completely accurate.

    Every version of Windows after NT 5 (what Windows 2000 really was) has been slower, more bloated and fraught with more and more security problems.

    In the end, you'll face the same dismal reality that Win2K/Office2K customers had to face -- sunsetting.

    Once they turn off updates you're sunk for good.
     
    #15     Oct 22, 2009
  6. jprad

    jprad

    I'm a UNIX person by profession.

    Always told my Windows counterparts that Windows was a rock solid OS, up until the first application is installed.
     
    #16     Oct 22, 2009
  7. Oh Yeah... at least... we almost... almost loss a major dBase one time for a ecommerce client and i had the Seppuku Sword out and was starting the death ritual when my partner recovered it from one of our sources... saved by the external...

    at least 4 ... :eek:
     
    #17     Oct 22, 2009
  8. thstart

    thstart

    My mistake I mistyped the term - not "interleave optimized" - it is a little more complicated.

    First you have to create a partition at an explicit disk offset for required cylinder alignment using diskpart.exe

    =======================
    For example:
    =======================
    Diskpart> select disk 4
    Diskpart> list partition

    Partition ### Type Size Offset
    ------------- ---------------- ------- -------
    Partition 1 Primary 4094 MB 31 KB
    Partition 2 Extended 4581 MB 4094 MB
    Partition 3 Logical 2047 MB 4094 MB
    Partition 4 Logical 2533 MB 6142 MB
    =======================


    The Offset 31KB has to be 32KB to be aligned for optimized disk read/write.

    Also you have to format with a suitable sector size. Usually sector size is 2KB, I am using 64KB.

    With these two measures you can ensure:
    1) the OS is reading disk sectors from aligned address
    2) the OS is reading bigger chunks from the disk at a time.

    That way the slowest operations - I/O work faster.

    Make sure Windows 7 is supporting your disk drive directly.

    You have to create a bootable CDROM with Windows AIK and execute diskpart.exe from there.

    It takes a lot of work but is worth the efforts. The speed gains can be in order of ~50%-100%.
     
    #18     Oct 22, 2009
  9. GTS

    GTS

    Can you provide a reference for this claim? I've heard about tweaking partitions for SSD's but not for hard drives. I have a difficult time believing that this is a good idea and/or that you could achieve those type of gains by doing this.
     
    #19     Oct 22, 2009
  10. thstart

    thstart

    The only way to know is to try it yourself and make a lot of benchmarks. The partition alignment is a common sense when you understand how it works - it is the same with CPU memory. The other factors - it depends.

    It is a part of our research for what can be achieved from available hardware to create something like a not expensive dedicated appliance for financial database.

    This speed gain is valid for particular very narrowly defined circumstances. You can format and align the hard drive as described and still do not get significant speed gain.

    It depends from the combination of sector size, data, database and machine configuration- they have to fit each other. ~50% gain is most common. We reached 100% for particular cases with big (GB) data.

    I am getting this speed gain because this machine is used as a dedicated database server for specific kind of data (financial) and NOTHING else.

    Our custom developed in house database reads and writes in chunks compatible with the sector size. We made the following tests - read/write in increasing data chunk sizes beginning with 2KB, increments of 2KB up to 10GB. We ran these tests several weeks and made a graph to find the optimal permutation for this particular machine configuration. Then tuned the database accordingly. For every machine these is a range of optimal parameters which you can get only doing a real world tests with your own data you will use actually - you cannot get this from the official specs and the official benchmarks.
     
    #20     Oct 22, 2009