American Institute for Economic Research: Beyond Conspiracy http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/aier_on_conspiracy_05.html "There is, to be sure, corroborating evidence from a variety of sources indicating that Wail Street bankers did help to finance the Bolshevik Revolution. But this does not establish that they, themselves, were Communists. According to Antony C. Sutton, in Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, three independent sources, including his grandson, maintain that Jacob Schiff (who was Senior Partner in Kuhn, Loeb, and Company and father-in-law of Felix Warburg) provided an approximately $20 million loan to the Bolsheviks. Sutton also offers documentation that a consortium of banking interests, including inter alia the Morgan group and the Rockefeller-Standard Oil group, were involved in providing financial support for the new regime. Gary Allen attempts to implicate Paul Warburg also. According to Allen, Lenin "took some $5 to $6 million in gold" into Russia through a deal "arranged by the German High Command and Max Warburg." "The picture," he writes, "takes on another dimension when you consider that the brother of Max Warburg was Paul Warburg." Contrary to conspiracy notions, however, such financial deals are not necessarily evidence that the bankers were Communists, or even that they wanted the Bolsheviks to triumph. While it is understandable that conspiracy theorists express disbelief that international bankers would finance a regime whose professed goal was to strip men such as themselves of their wealth unless they were committed Socialists themselves or expected to direct the course of revolution, there are several other possibilities. "
Of course they are not communists that's what I said : They "just" want communism for ... people not for them haha !
It seems that Trader Vic is less ignorant than some of you ... Like the naives who believe in eternal bullish trend, you have the similar naïvety with democracy and Constitution: they won't be defended alone by magic if you let these guys take control of government and institutions without even reacting. And if you think that it is the price to pay to be a super power that's even more the proof that you have really little notion of economy: war exhaust through debts to foreign countries and one day you will be reclaimed the debts like what happened to Germany. It is a process of about 50/100 years each time - the duration of 1 or 2 Kondratieff cycles - that's why each generation just don't remember but suffice to study history of economy and war to know that such process has always been.
What's the story with Bush and this skull &bones sect ? Is this serious? what is it? a satanic sect? sounds like a joke...although he IS the devil. Maybe some enlightened Frenchman can share his vast knowledge with us
Ah jeez Harry. Stop with the Bonesmen. It's nothing more than a fraternity. Of course a lot have gone on to positions of great power and wealth - they're Yalies for god sakes. That's what Ivy League schools are supposed to do. What is the big deal here? You want us drawing cabinet officers from associate degree programs? Geo PS - Why don't you try and figure out who that lawyer is that teamed up with Sperandeo. That's the most dangerous dude walking the US from what I can tell but I'm only at page 600.
nothing more than fraternity ? With only 15 members / year how can you explain that such tiny "fraternity" have such power in governement and corporates ? Even scientologists with their millions of members can't achieve that !
It's not a joke. If cbsnews now makes joke . In fact it is very well known already since it has been revealed already by other mainstream medias and that the Bush had recognised it although they say they don't want to talk about that.
BTW this is an interesting interview with the SON of Ron Hubbard and an ex-member of scientology: this shows how "religion" and "fraternities" hide money making machines by psychologically controlling the members (see the video on the linked page with transcription): http://xenutv.bogie.nl/us/2020-1.htm exerpt: STOSSEL: And people would borrow money to take your courses? SCHWARTZ: Honey, people would sell their houses, theyâd lie to their parents, theyâd do just about anything they could. I would have died for L. Ron Hubbard. If I had gotten an order, "This is what you need to do to make planet Earth a better place," I would have done it. --- VO: Profits from the best seller went not to religion, says his son, but to the importing of drugs. HUBBARD, JR.: He furnished the money, I ran around--I went along to load the money, um, and through Mafia [??] friends of his we imported, um, cocaine and heroin through Colombia. STOSSEL: People were giving you money to get happiness, religion from learning and you were going to Mexico and Colombia with your father to buy drugs? Marijuana and cocaine, right? HUBBARD, JR.: Correct.
very good, you beat me to the punch.... actually I saw a program on The History Channel for over 2hrs or 3hrs on the aftermath of WWII and the secrets, back stories and follow-up special teams that were employed by the Americans, British, Soviets, Japanese and Germans who were all scrambling to get the benefits of the forced labor research and advanced weapons projects. Highly informative, and also highly revealing, especially the opening sections regarding those who preceeded Hitler in creating the Nazi party and how they found simpathetic ears amongst similar wordly private cultural groups (in Italy, In Japan, and other locations).
Uh, I'm bowing out now. This is getting vastly too wierd with no decernable end in sight. I thought I would flank your initial comment but now being on the same field of battle with your viewpoints, how should I say as a Samarai? Being on the same field of battle, lacks Honor William Donaldson of the SEC was on McNeil Lehrer News Hour. He is a retired Marine; former founding member of DLJ (Donaldson, Lufkin, Jenrette) as well as other outstanding achievements to his name. Why such an extremely wealthy person would need such an organization is above my pay grade to know, and given the 2,599 comments you've made on these boards, above your pay grade too. Perhaps spending time improving your trading and being more profitable and then doing something positive with those funds might improve your pay grade also.