Will the HFT algorithms and AI based trading software be available to retail traders ?

Discussion in 'Automated Trading' started by traderwald, Oct 21, 2019.



  1. Then there would be UBI :D

    What do you think :)
     
    #11     Oct 22, 2019
  2. qlai

    qlai

    HFT available:
    https://www.alphatradinglabs.com/
    Anyone has experience with them?
     
    #12     Oct 22, 2019
  3. fan27

    fan27

    Just took a look at it. So basically, you use their platform to develop and test HFT strategies and you get to "compete" to have your strategy have capital allocated towards it. This is of course after their research team evaluates your strategy, but don't worry, you still have full rights to the IP :)
     
    #13     Oct 22, 2019
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  4. IAS_LLC

    IAS_LLC

    Same as quantopian, but with tick data (I think)
     
    #14     Oct 22, 2019
  5. MKTrader

    MKTrader

    Go back and read what Turvey said: "HFT needs infrastucture mainly really fast network access to the exchange, the software isn't a big deal, it's the milliseconds."

    As for getting the necessary infrastructure, good luck to Joe Sixpack, who just quit his $50K/year job and plans to "day trade with the big boys" like he keeps seeing in all those YouTube videos with his $15K account. Without the speed, that software won't help him much...
     
    #15     Oct 22, 2019
  6. IAS_LLC

    IAS_LLC

    Good software...and the ability to make to make decisions quickly and objectively DOES help, if you understand your structural limits...just not to do latency arbitrage.
     
    #16     Oct 22, 2019
  7. raVar

    raVar

    Of course it's available to you ... right now.

    Go pay the $100 Million in start up costs, and start an HFT firm for yourself. Personally, I don't see the advantage, as that's a race to zero, and has HUGE start up costs, and I can make money just fine, without paying that sort of overhead.

    From Shipping Magnates paying for Dock Space and Runners to get to market and market information first in the 1600's, to Guys Trading in the Pits in the 20th century, to HFT today?

    If you want to be close to the market, and have that information first, you have to pay for it.

    And it's no one's "job" ... to make it available to you
     
    #17     Oct 22, 2019
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  8. IAS_LLC

    IAS_LLC

    Y'all are assuming hft only means fast. That's not all that is going on. RenTec is more than just fast. They're fast and smart (and well capitalized)
     
    #18     Oct 22, 2019
  9. qlai

    qlai

    Right, that's the problem ... nobody says - here is the server connected to market data and exchanges, go knock yourself out within our risk limits. Even that is not securing your IP really, but at least it's better than - explain to us exactly what you are going to do and then maybe we will grant you permission to code your system within our infrastructure.
     
    #19     Oct 22, 2019
  10. mukoh

    mukoh

    I have understanding that $100m is around 5 years ago. Nowadays it is north of $300m to jump the order flow. Next thing will be to have a data center underneath the data center hosting the exchange.
     
    #20     Oct 22, 2019
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