Will Obama's jobs plan improve the economy?

Discussion in 'Economics' started by chaosclarity, Sep 8, 2011.

  1. But Oldtime, is being forced to have a job at the point of a gun really working? Is being drafter being employed? Sure, one can consider WWII to be a giant public works project with full employment, but what could the workers buy with their money? Everything was rationed were no new cars, tires, houses, big ticket items. Gasoline, sugar, oil, meat, clothes, all consumer staples etc. Price controls meant you couldn't get a raise, and they also affected what little free market we had. Plus, the loss of freedom? But then again, a tyrannical society is what Hayek said would happen when the central planners take control.

    Then when the war was over, in 1946-47 we had a huge inflation which taxed away the savings of the workers who had been saving.

    Public works projects really work, just ask the workers who built the pyramids in ancient Egypt. It turned out pretty good for them....No??
     
    #61     Sep 10, 2011
  2. I think I agree

    Default good

    Devalue bad

    But I'm not sure what the unions have to do with it.

    Seems to me it's a good business idea to unionize to increase buying power.

    for example, if I needed health insurance, I might ask around and see if enough other traders wanted to go in on it with me.

    Isn't that what a union is?
     
    #62     Sep 10, 2011
  3. Oldtime, why not just raise the minimum wage to $50/hour so everybody has $2K a week to spend? Hey, why not just print money so nobody has to work at all, just pay us all $100K-1mm whatever....we'll live off of that.

    You ought to read Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson" to correct all the fallacious contentions you're making. Here's the complete pdf of the book and it's a quick 2 hour read in simple language. http://www.fee.org/pdf/books/Economics_in_one_lesson.pdf
     
    #63     Sep 10, 2011
  4. The solution proposed by Obama is basically to lend money from foreign governments like China and then to give that money away to other entitities in the hopes it will produce jobs. During the last stimulus, money was given away fast and in an unchecked manner which resulted in obvious abuse and no jobs.

    I believe the best solution is to try to provide the best environment possible for private business and enterprise. Is Obama currently providing the best environment possible for business and enterprise? Personally, I would not know because I am not the CEO of a major corporation. However, ask Steve Wynn, the Chamber of Commerce and other business leaders and their opinion is shockingly negative against Obama.

    I do not see how all these additional laws, regulation and a larger government will help the economy. The Obama economy seems more like the Carter economy all over again. Gold going through the roof and such. Im thinking Perry would be a good pick for the next President as he has Ronald Reagan like qualities. He shoots from the hip a lot just like Reagan and people seem to like that. They follow Perry. Romney is a good choice too, but I can tell Romney isnt as gutsy as Perry. Either has more experience and would probably improve employment then Obama ever will...
     
    #64     Sep 10, 2011
  5. At $50/hr if it takes me two hours to read it, that's a little pricey for a book don't you think?

    We've already agreed the gov can't create jobs.

    So how high can we raise the min wage before people start getting fired?

    My guess is quite a bit.

    You gotta start somewhere, why not at the bottom?
     
    #65     Sep 10, 2011
  6. Get laid off at $20/hr

    Only job out there is min wage $7.20

    Better just to take unemployment till it runs out.

    Min wage goes to $10

    Better than nothing

    Work at Mcdonalds, don't like it, but didn't like the factory either.

    Price of hamburger goes up.

    No new franchises

    Good opportunity now for mom and pop hamburger stand

    Don't have to compete against Mcdonalds

    Hamburger prices are high

    No problem, everybody makes $10/hr

    It's just like the universe

    Everything keeps expanding until it falls apart

    Hey, if it was good enough for God it's good enough for me
     
    #66     Sep 10, 2011
  7. Well, if you read Hazlitt, you'd see why your thinking is flawed and that you're buying into a common fallacy. But then again, it really doesn't matter. Your main fault in reasoning is that you think that by raising the wages of some, that will increase demand because of the extra money around. We've already recovered the consumption spending and my good friend noted economist, Robert Higgs has so eloquently written about here. http://blog.independent.org/2011/09/09/one-more-time-consumption-spending-has-already-recovered/ If you don't wish to waste time reading Higgs article (2 minutes at $50/hour) here's the data directly from commerce. http://tinyurl.com/3ss4ckc
     
    #67     Sep 10, 2011
  8. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Which, in our modern times, means almost NOTHING.

    One look at Odumbo proves that.
     
    #68     Sep 10, 2011
  9. I honestly believe that Obama has brought down the Harvard name and the Nobel Prize. A lot of smart folks did go to Harvard and now as a result of Obama less Harvard grads may be considered for political positions.

    I am finding more and more that folks have strong opinions against Obama...but few have strong opinions for Obama. Most people who support Obama do so quietly almost like those folks who kept holding INTC and CSCO after 2001 quietly hoping they would go back up...

     
    #69     Sep 10, 2011
  10. ok, the raising the minimum wage part was a bad idea.

    But eliminating taxes at the pump, especially for truckers. How about that?
     
    #70     Sep 10, 2011