Will i ever get it.

Discussion in 'Journals' started by note, Dec 17, 2014.

  1. It says: This implies that, within three years, around a third of all funds disappeared.

    A third is 33.33%. 33.33% is not 80%. Hope that is now clear to you. So 66% of the funds succeed. Compared to how many retail success, 0.00001% ? Yet they still don't want to follow the steps of the hedge funds. What's worst they will say things like: steps, what steps ? Never heard of them.

    I had to paid for what I've got with time and money. So, I can't hand them out. But I have already given away plenty of the good stuff, more than anything I have ever received from anyone or from any groups of people.
     
    #301     Jan 10, 2015
  2. My mistake for having put here this article.
    Let me get the one with the abyssimal records of 80% failure rate
    ( this week when access to my notes).

    So you can not pass these because you have not received anything from others?
    Am I reading well?
     
    #302     Jan 10, 2015
  3. Clearly you are not reading well or you would not have posted a link to 33% when what you wanted was 80%

    I have to work for what I got. You can too. I even point you (people in general) to the right direction. No one ever gave me direction. I had to stumble along in total darkness. Do I blame people for not giving me a direction ? No. I don't expect them to tell me if they don't even which direction it is themselves.
     
    #303     Jan 10, 2015
  4. Well well well. I really don't mind recognising when I make a mistake, and offering to correct it and precising when and why. :):):)

    Now, I feel for you to have to be very secretive because you had to fend for yourself to get anything in trading.
    As for myself : I started because a very good trader and very experienced one quasi "forced" me to give it a try.
    Then, I did some gig in some trading firms ( no interviews for some reasons but that earned me some "undeserving epithet by some jealous people"), so I have never accumulated any animosity on how hard it was to get into trading,
    nor to get good advice ( I have found the hardest was to follow it!!!).
    Now, at the time I was very angry to get fired, BUT by following their advice ( move to another firm), I came to realise I was a real joker in trading at the time.
    Having a good passion for trading, I got the chance to be given out of pure generorisity ( and my paying copiously at the time as I did not knoww better) a lot in trading.

    So you will understand that I see trading more from a psychological perspective than "technical or fundamental" perspective.

    And I do not see anything wrong with being "given" as far as trading goes.
    As far as giving back in trading, I remember there were times I used to make
    live calls, and go my way to "coach" (?) others.
    Nowadays, I have understood that psychology is key.
    Trading plans : these can be bought, borrowed and given.
     
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    #304     Jan 10, 2015
  5. If you know a source of freebies, maybe you can go back there and get some more.

    Just because people trade professionally doesn't mean they know anything useful. I worked for a hedge fund manger and never learned a single thing. Although my role wasn't in trading. He lost and folded a couple of funds. That was what got me interested in trading. I thought how hard could it be ?
     
    #305     Jan 10, 2015
  6. I guess I pointed your mindset well : "freebies".
    Aka everything has to be fought for, has to be hard to get. A bit like
    "one needs to work hard for money". Abundance mindset must be
    something very hard from your life experience.

    Well: I do not share this point of view.
    Very profitable traders have demonstrated a strange ability to be very generous.
    Those who were extremely keep everything tight to their chest, I have come
    to discover that more than often they were losing traders.
    I guess you are an exception: right?
     
    #306     Jan 10, 2015
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  7. No use playing psychological games with me. I would consider myself a leading master of the game. So nothing will work on me.

    In theory, successful people should be generous. But often they are not. They are successful precisely because they hoard what they have got. As for where I am, that's not for discussion.

    I know I am more generous than anyone I ever come across on forums who offered genuine value. Why, I even explain precisely what goes on in the markets, and what do I get ? I get called names.

    If you have an abundance mind, good for you. Perhaps someone will benefit from that abundance. I am curious though, for a mind of abundance, why are your stops so small ? There seems to be a funny contradiction.
     
    #307     Jan 10, 2015
  8. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    Agreed with that, why I am against all the BS mindset teaching in here then just learn PA which is meaningless, trading is about trading, BSing about mindset is just easier and makes you sound smarter to newbies to feed your ego.

    Other forums focus on MM like MM makes you profitable.

    And a trading forum, where discussing actual trading methods is made fun off, really pisses me off, drop this learn PA read a book, find your own way BS.
    .
    Main reason for above is, they arent profitable, so they avoid the subject while posting fake PNLs to make newbies think there real.

    Imho!
     
    #308     Jan 10, 2015
  9. medical study, something to get. mathematical study, something to get.

    can spend decade of short life, get trade only to have change.

    pick ONE discipline, narrow and become best in world, enjoy life at top
     
    #309     Jan 10, 2015
  10. Turveyd

    Turveyd


    And if you pick a fake 1 then waste the rest of your life trying to make sonething that will never work, work.
     
    #310     Jan 10, 2015